Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Rutgers, to me, is all about getting TV sets in NYC. I don't know much about their school academically (don't really care), but I don't see them adding much to the equation football or basketball wise.

That said, I don't know how "big" Rutgers is in NYC, or how popular CFB even is in NYC. If this was baseball... well.. that'd be different.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Go Turtles:

 

[JBaney45]

It seems to me you're thinking only about football.

There's little question football is driving this bus. However, I am not sure the Big XII or SEC are thinking "big picture" when they limit the "who are we gonna take" question to "who's reasonably good at football"

Football IS the big picture, there is no quicker or better way to improve your conferences brand then to bring in big time football programs. Its only because the BIG doesnt have a ton of obvious options that we are taking in these "project" programs on the hopes they can turn on some TV's that never cared about them before

 

[Zander42]

I must admit, for purely selfish reasons, I like the Rutgers move. :)

 

[exhawg]

Providing a place for ND to park their non-football sports is looking like a bad move for the ACC. It just created an extra incentive for the B1G and any other conference that dreams of landing ND to destablize the ACC.

I can imagine Delany sending a letter to all of the other conferences telling them to keep their hands off ND. The only places they would be safe are the SEC, Pac12 and maybe the Big 12 now.

I really think this is a domino move for the Big 10. Delany has goals that he didn't reach the first time around so he's kicking it off again to see what falls. Nebraska wasn't the biggest move a few years ago, but that kicked off all the other moves. Hopefully Md moving to the B1G will scare FSU into jumping so 15 and 16 for the B1G will be who Delany really wants i.e. VA and ND.

It it does come down to the B1G, the SEC, the Big12, and the Pac being the only conferences at the table for the NC I don't think ND will have a choice but to join the B1G.

 

[Woody1968]

I can imagine Delany sending a letter to all of the other conferences telling them to keep their hands off ND. The only places they would be safe are the SEC, Pac12 and maybe the Big 12 now.

I really think this is a domino move for the Big 10. Delany has goals that he didn't reach the first time around so he's kicking it off again to see what falls. Nebraska wasn't the biggest move a few years ago, but that kicked off all the other moves. Hopefully Md moving to the B1G will scare FSU into jumping so 15 and 16 for the B1G will be who Delany really wants i.e. VA and ND.

It it does come down to the B1G, the SEC, the Big12, and the Pac being the only conferences at the table for the NC I don't think ND will have a choice but to join the B1G.

Then why take Rutgers? There's no point in taking a Big East school except for TV reasons. If this was solely about the dominoes, wouldn't it make more sense to only take MD, and see what else would fall from the ACC or Big 12?

 

[Oh8ch]

Rutgers, to me, is all about getting TV sets in NYC. I don't know much about their school academically (don't really care), but I don't see them adding much to the equation football or basketball wise.

That said, I don't know how "big" Rutgers is in NYC, or how popular CFB even is in NYC. If this was baseball... well.. that'd be different.

From 1979 to 2005 Rutgers never won more than 7 games. In the past 7 years they have won less than 8 games only once. They are not Nebraska, but they could very well become an upper middle Big Ten program.


(It didn't work. I thought I could make their case, but even reading my own post, I can't get excited about either of our new members.)

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Football IS the big picture, there is no quicker or better way to improve your conferences brand then to bring in big time football programs. Its only because the BIG doesnt have a ton of obvious options that we are taking in these "project" programs on the hopes they can turn on some TV's that never cared about them before

I'd have to let someone like ORD outline why this is misguided, as I don't follow academics like he does.

I agree with you on the TV sets where it concerns Rutgers, though I suspect they are a quality institution of learning (Again, I'll let ORD handle that, lol). But, I think limiting the thinking only to football is not wise. I don't mean that as against you, I mean that in terms of the people pulling the strings doing the actual conference expansions.

Pooling of research grants comes to mind.... that's $$$ too... Know what I mean?

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

From 1979 to 2005 Rutgers never won more than 7 games. In the past 7 years they have won less than 8 games only once. They are not Nebraska, but they could very well become an upper middle Big Ten program.


(It didn't work. I thought I could make their case, but even reading my own post, I can't get excited about either of our new members.)

Imagine that Maryland is a buxom vendor of nacho cheese. Imagine Rutgers... ummm.... is... ummm... slutty?

 

[exhawg]

Then why take Rutgers? There's no point in taking a Big East school except for TV reasons. If this was solely about the dominoes, wouldn't it make more sense to only take MD, and see what else would fall from the ACC or Big 12?

Rutgers is a TV move. I don't think it would have been a bad thing to just take MD and see what falls. Rutgers makes a lot more sense if they are able to get the BTN added to basic cable in NY and NJ. IIRC the BTN has always negotiated to be in the standard package with all carries so if they have a provision with providers that the BTN will be part of the basic package for any addresses within 50 or 100 miles of a B1G school Rutgers equals a shit-ton of money.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Imagine that Maryland is a buxom vendor of nacho cheese. Imagine Rutgers... ummm.... is... ummm... slutty?

Ann Arbor is the whore in this conference.

 

[Zurp]

I'm not thrilled about this - and it has nothing to do with specific teams. My problem is with the fact that the more teams you have in your conference, the more it becomes 2 conferences. It's been said before on here, but if you play every team in your division, there soon becomes not enough games left on your schedule for the other division. I guess that lessens the chances of rematches, but it would soon be like, "yeah - I remember when Ohio State last played Iowa - 5 years ago." I don't like it.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Ann Arbor is the whore in this conference.

Quite right. Still, that doesn't mean we can't have other loose women, right? you know... horny chicks who aren't just giving hummers for crack

 

[ScriptOhio]

I'm not thrilled about this - and it has nothing to do with specific teams. My problem is with the fact that the more teams you have in your conference, the more it becomes 2 conferences. It's been said before on here, but if you play every team in your division, there soon becomes not enough games left on your schedule for the other division. I guess that lessens the chances of rematches, but it would soon be like, "yeah - I remember when Ohio State last played Iowa - 5 years ago." I don't like it.

It won't totally fix the problem; however, it wouldn't surprise me (in a few years) the B1G goes to 9 conference games.

 

[exhawg]

I'm not thrilled about this - and it has nothing to do with specific teams. My problem is with the fact that the more teams you have in your conference, the more it becomes 2 conferences. It's been said before on here, but if you play every team in your division, there soon becomes not enough games left on your schedule for the other division. I guess that lessens the chances of rematches, but it would soon be like, "yeah - I remember when Ohio State last played Iowa - 5 years ago." I don't like it.

In a perfect world there would be 8 10 team conferences and an 8 team playoff for the title, but that will never happen. With a 16 team conference I think the best you can do is have 4 pods so you play the same 3 teams every year, 4 teams from another rotating pod and 1 rivalry game. At least that way you do get to play every other school at least every 3 years rather than the same 7 teams every year and 2 schools from the other division.