Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Woody1968]

To be honest I think the chance of Virginia & UNC jumping to the B1G are right about zero or a little lower.

Davey's point about shifting demographics is valid I just think that people greatly overestimate it's influence. I also think that the assumptions that the population shift will continue indefinitely are wrong.

I wouldn't say zero, but I agree, this is not happening.

 

[DaveyBoy]

I agree that UVa and UNC are real long shots. They would be great additions.

But unless the rest of the BigTen starts hiring better coaches, the conference is going to suck outside of 3 or 4 teams every year. The conference needs more money to do this unfortunately. With the BTN, conference expansion into huge TV markets is easy $

To be honest I think the chance of Virginia & UNC jumping to the B1G are right about zero or a little lower.

Davey's point about shifting demographics is valid I just think that people greatly overestimate it's influence. I also think that the assumptions that the population shift will continue indefinitely are wrong.

 

[Muck]

Nebraska is a shell of its former self......on the field and on the recruiting trails. It is decent and maybe even good. I hope they are turning the corner this year to becoming a true challenge to OSU and Michigan in their usual forms. Those Texas players on their roster were either there before the departure from the Big12 or are 2 and 3 star players......not what they used to have. Nebraska traditionally recruited California, Florida, and the Northeast very well. But they aren't the national draw they were before and that is indisputable.

In the last 5 years, Bama alone has had more players drafted in the NFL than all of those teams combined, I bet. It seems half the first rounders are SEC players now.

The last 10 years haven't been kind to the BigTen. In case you haven't noticed, the SEC is starting to out recruit the BigTen for elite players in the Big Ten states. I only see Ohio State and Michigan being able go toe to toe with the SEC in BigTen territory on a consistent basis. Missouri can now recruit stronger in the BigTen region selling "big boy football". I'm not saying I like it, but that's precisely what the SEC is selling .

What does the number of players on ND from California vs Illinois have to do with this? ND once owned Chicago and Cincinnati recruiting. It owns Cincinnati already and can get any elite prospect from Chicago that it wants. You used 10 of the worst years of ND football ever for your comparison.

The BigTen region getting picked apart for elite prospects . The population is either declining or growing much slower than the sunbelt states. The racial statistics don't favor the Midwest at all either.

We need to sell our revenues which lead to great facilities and coaches. We need to open up recruiting grounds to our mid-tier teams. OSU and Mich can recruit nationally.....Nebraska can do OK nationally if they find a coach. But unless they hire coaching staffs from another region, the mid-tier B1G teams are going to struggle on the recruiting trail vs other conferences and get out recruited in their backyard for elite players.

The crux of your argument is "I bet" & "it seems".

Nebraska's worst decade means permanent doom while Notre Dame's isn't relevant. Five years ago Alabama was a 'shell of its former self' and ten years ago Texas was.

Northern kids aren't fleeing to the SEC in droves anymore than Southern players are coming north.

Yes the south is growing faster but the north still has a significant population advantage. Meanwhile the overall migration has slowed, completely reversed in some States (Louisiana & Florida) and the faster grower (North Carolina) isn't an SEC state at all.

Hyperbolic sky is falling predictions aside, the bottom line is that the B1G region is still producing as much talent as that of the SEC and is quite capable of supporting four programs playing at a level competing for national titles.

 

[DaveyBoy]

Good points .

The difference between Nebraska and Notre Dame is that for decades Nebraska was defined by how it did vs its key rival Oklahoma. The Big12 killed the OU/NU rivalry and that hurts Nebraska to this day. It simply doesn't have a real rival with a quality program......yet. Meanwhile, ND has maintained it's NBC contract, it's rivalry with USC, and its aura or being special. ND is on the steep upswing......NU is doing decently but a notch or two below ND.

The South has a lot more elite prospects in its region than the BigTen. It can afford to lose some. The BigTen mid-tier teams can't afford that. Bama starts two Ohio kids. LSU always has 1 or 2 elite Midwestern kids. Texas and Oklahoma and even Florida State heavily recruit the midwest's elite kids.

The demographics include population in total and by age, race, and socioeconomic background. Big cities in the South play a lot more football than big cities in the north where basketball is king.

I fully agree that trends eventually reverse. I do think in the long run, the Midwest will be steady. But, bluntly, the concentration of blacks in the South trumps any number of farm boys in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Minnesota.

Oh good lord. The crux of your argument is "I bet" & "it seems".

Nebraska's worst decade means doom while Notre Dame's should be ignored. Five years ago Alabama was a 'shell of its former self' and ten years ago Texas was.

Northern kids aren't fleeing to the SEC in droves anymore than Southern players are coming north.

Yes the south is growing faster but the north still has a significant population advantage. Meanwhile the overall migration has slowed, completely reversed in some States (Louisiana & Florida) and the faster grower (North Carolina) isn't an SEC state at all.

Hyperbolic sky is falling predictions aside, the bottom line is that the B1G region is still producing as much talent as that of the SEC and is quite capable of supporting four programs playing at a level competing for national titles.

 

[jlb1705]

Starting to look like this thing might have legs:

Yahoo/Pat Forde: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab--maryland--rutgers-in-serious-talks-about-move-to-big-ten.html

Maryland, Rutgers in serious talks about move to Big Ten Conference

5 minutes ago


Maryland and Rutgers are in advanced discussions with the Big Ten about joining the conference, multiple sources have told Yahoo! Sports.
Nothing is official yet, but tentative plans for announcements from the two schools that they are leaving their current leagues could come early next week, sources said. Maryland is a founding member of the Atlantic Coast Conference and Rutgers has been a member of the Big East since 1991.

Their movement would increase Big Ten membership to 14, and would come not long after most college sports observers believed the conference realignment carousel had stopped spinning. Notre Dame?s announcement in September that it would join the ACC while remaining independent in football was thought to be the end of a two-year spasm of realignment that significantly altered the college landscape. Big Ten leadership last spring said it was comfortable with its current 12-school alignment.

 

[Saw31]

BTN better invest is some bigger cash registers...

 

[Woody1968]

Would rather have Syracuse than Rutgers, but this may get RCN NY/NJ to carry the Big Ten Network.

(I have RCN)

 

[jlb1705]

...

Bryan Fischer (@BryanDFischer)
11/17/12, 5:26 PM
By the way, Under Armour CEO/Maryland booster Kevin Plank is cashing out $65 million of stock. ACC exit fee is $50m. bit.ly/T38yAT

 

[Jake]

Would rather have Syracuse than Rutgers, but this may get RCN NY/NJ to carry the Big Ten Network.

(I have RCN)

Maybe...but I live in Ohio and don't get BTN. But my cable company (Armstrong) is based in Maryland so hope springs eternal.

 

[Muck]

.../snip/... Rutgers .../snip/...

 

[ScriptOhio]

Rutgers isn't all that bad, they beat the fucking Bearcraps today.

 

[Woody1968]

If Maryland does join, I hope Delany has the balls to tell them they can't wear that crap they have been wearing the last two years.

 

[rampageripster]

If Maryland does join, I hope Delany has the balls to tell them they can't wear that crap they have been wearing the last two years.

why? this gimmick certainly helped Oregon out. It's not my tradition that's eroding, let them do what they think is necessary to get kid's attention.

 

[alexhortdog95]

Delaney is a PIMP if he can pull all this off. Giving a finger to the SEC.
These teams can only join if we can get rid of Ped State, though.

 

[ScriptOhio]

If Maryland does join, I hope Delany has the balls to tell them they can't wear that crap they have been wearing the last two years.

The design represents their state flag.

I don't know what the history is that promulgated the design, but the people in Maryland are probably very proud of it. My guess is Delaney wouldn't even consider touching that issue.

:osu: