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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%
  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%
  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%
  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%
  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%
  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%
  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%
  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%
  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%
  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%
  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%
  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%
  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%
  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%
  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%
  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%
  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%
  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%
  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%

  • Total voters
    313
I think this topic is just another "filler" topic. Radio talk show hosts will use this topic, the playoff debate, "who's the greatest team of all time?", and many others when they aren't smart enough to talk about real things. A good radio talk show host will never entertain any of these issues.

That said, I do not claim to be a radio talk show host, or even "good", for that matter. Therefore, I go charging in with my two cents...

muffler dragon;1347612; said:
I'm not so much opposed to the idea of expansion as I am the idea of the make-up of the conference championship game being between teams from each division. It should be the two best teams period.

I've often thought about this and I like this idea. With 12 teams, you have 8 games, and 3 teams each team didn't play. If you get two 8-0 teams (obviously, they never played), they would play for the conference championship. Nice. My only issue is about what you do when you get three 7-1 teams, where they all beat one of the other teams (like Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas Tech this year). Or worse, when you get three 8-0 teams. I would imagine that it's theoretically possible to even have four 8-0 teams.

Or what about when there's an 8-0 team, who won each of the games by an average of 30 points (and none closer than 20 points), and the next best team is 5-3. There's probably a lot of 5-3 teams, but the one that wins whatever tie-breaker is used in this case happens to have lost to the 8-0 team by 35 points. They play in the championship game, and win 13-10. Some people argue that the first time they met, the 5-3 team was without their best player. Others argue that the 8-0 team was without a certain player the second time. Whatever the reason - it doesn't matter. How can anyone say that the second team is the conference champion? They lost to a 2-6 team, for corn sakes!!! Just because they won the second game, and not the first, they're considered "the best team in the conference"?

Ugh. The more I think about any kind of conference championship game, the less I like it.

Anyway, the only way I can see the Big Ten expanding is with Notre Dame. Anyone else isn't going to pull their weight in the conference. They'd be another share in the bowl money, and I doubt that the Big Ten would get much in return. Notre Dame, on the other hand, gets all kinds of weird fans. I'm not sure that many of them really care about how good their team is - they'll always watch the games. That means lots of money from TV sponsers.
 
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I think that Ohio State, TSUN, and Penn State in the same division makes sense. One consequence is that The Game is not going to be a repeat.

However, I think Mili is right, it won't happen very soon.
 
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jwinslow;1347684; said:
We need another b12 south, except no nebraska for the other 6?

I'm on the same page.

A guaranteed slot in the championship game for the little 6 doesn't sit well with me.

What are the alternatives though?

Split Ohio State & TSUN? No.

Give State Penn the free ride they think they deserve? No.

My personal choice (which isn't likely to happen) would be Ohio State & TSUN on one side with PSU & ND on the other.

Let the Nits & Micks have their pretend Big East Championship on the same day as The Game.
 
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This is the structure I came up with for the Big Ten if Notre Dame joined, not sure if I posted it here before. The goal of this is basically to keep all the rivalry games in the Big Ten, which this does

Division A:
Michigan
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Notre Dame
Minnesota
Iowa

Division B
Ohio State
Penn State
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Northwestern

Each team would play 8 conference games in this structure
The 5 teams in their division
2 teams from the other division on a rotating basis
1 team from the other division that they would play every year, those matchups would be as follows..

Michigan-Ohio State
Michigan State-Penn State
Notre Dame-Purdue

The other 3 matchups dont really matter as much but for the sake of completeless we'll say

Wisconsin-Indiana
Minnesota-Illinois
Iowa-Northwestern

This would allow virtually every Big Ten "recurring rivalry" to stay in place with the 2 teams that each Big Ten team always play in conference (for us its Michigan and Penn State). Plus it would allow ND to keep their rivalry with Michigan/Purdue

Big Ten Conference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rivalries on that list that would exist every year, some of which dont exist every year now..(plus ND rivalries):

Illinois-Northwestern (Sweet Sioux Tomahawk)
Indiana-Purdue (Old Oaken Bucket)
Iowa-Minnesota (Floyd of Rosedale)
Iowa-Wisconsin (Heartland Trophy)
Minnesota-Wisconsin (Slab of Bacon/Paul Bunyan's Axe)
Michigan-Michigan State (Paul Bunyan Trophy)
Michigan-Minnesota (Little Brown Jug)
Illinois-Ohio State (Illibuck)
Illinois-Purdue (Purdue Cannon)
Michigan State-Penn State (Land Grant Trophy)
Michigan-Ohio State (No trophy)
Penn State-Ohio State (no trophy)
Illinois-Indiana (no trophy)
Minnesota-Iowa (No Trophy)
Northwestern-Purdue (no trophy)
Notre Dame-Michigan (no trophy)
Notre Dame-Purdue (no trophy)


Rivalries that wouldn't occur yearly:

Indiana-Michigan State (Old Brass Spittoon) [doesn't occur yearly now]
Minnesota-Penn State (Governor's Victory Bell) [doesn't occur yearly now]
Penn State-Michigan (no trophy) [doesn't occur yearly now]
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1347846; said:
Wisconsin-Indiana
Minnesota-Illinois

Somehow I don't think splitting up Wisconsin and Minnesota from playing every year for the Axe is gonna fly...

Wisconsin and Minnesota are in the same division so they would play, the Wisconsin-Indiana, Minnesota-Illinois games are cross division games
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1347846; said:
Wisconsin-Indiana
Minnesota-Illinois

Somehow I don't think splitting up Wisconsin and Minnesota from playing every year for the Axe is gonna fly...

JBaney45's format would keep that annual rivalry:

Rivalries on that list that would exist every year, some of which dont exist every year now..(plus ND rivalries):

Illinois-Northwestern (Sweet Sioux Tomahawk)
Indiana-Purdue (Old Oaken Bucket)
Iowa-Minnesota (Floyd of Rosedale)
Iowa-Wisconsin (Heartland Trophy)
Minnesota-Wisconsin (Slab of Bacon/Paul Bunyan's Axe)
Michigan-Michigan State (Paul Bunyan Trophy)
Michigan-Minnesota (Little Brown Jug)
Illinois-Ohio State (Illibuck)
Illinois-Purdue (Purdue Cannon)
Michigan State-Penn State (Land Grant Trophy)
Michigan-Ohio State (No trophy)
Penn State-Ohio State (no trophy)
Illinois-Indiana (no trophy)
Minnesota-Iowa (No Trophy)
Northwestern-Purdue (no trophy)
Notre Dame-Michigan (no trophy)
Notre Dame-Purdue (no trophy)
 
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I am 100% against a conference championship game.

They absolutely do not win respect. They win money, and that is all. If the B10 wins bowl games, we get respect. If the B10 loses bowl games, we don't get respect. That is it. I completely fail to see how another game will help ANY of that. Maybe they'll help the team do better in the bowl game by having them prepare more against top competition, but that's the ONLY way it will work.

The b10 has been "down" for only a few years. If we win in 2006, the B10 is considered a great conference that year, going 3-0 against the SEC and doing pretty well in most bowls.

CCG's also do NOT do a good job determining the conference champion. B12 south this year is the easiest example.

I like the Pac-10's way the most. No championship game, but play every team in the conference. No excuses that way.
 
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xcrunner;1347853; said:
The b10 has been "down" for only a few years.
Let's not fool ourselves here. The Big Ten has been down for decades. Since 1961, the conference has won 3 AP titles (Ohio State in 1968 and 2002; Michigan in 1997) and 3 coaches' titles (Ohio State in 1968 and 2002; Michigan State in 1965). That's 2 outright championships (both courtesy of our beloved Buckeyes) and two split championships in 48 years. Take Ohio State out of the picture (2 outright titles [1968, 2002], 2 minor titles [1961, 1970], 5 second-place finishes in the AP poll [1961, 1973, 1996, 1998, 2006]), and the conference has been downright miserable for five decades (2 split titles, 1 minor titles, 5 AP second-place finishes). In other words, Ohio State has out-performed the rest of the Big Ten combined for the past five decades or so, and there is no end in sight for that trend.

By way of comparison, the SEC has had better success in the last decade alone (Tennessee consensus title in 1998, Florida consensus title in 2006, LSU consensus title in 2007, LSU split [BCS] title in 2003), and one of their teams will likely be favored to win the BCS championship again this season.

So, yeah, maybe the Big Ten needs a little boost in credibility....
 
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