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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

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Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%

  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%

  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%

  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%

  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%

  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%

  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%

  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%

  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%

  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%

  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%

  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%

  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%

  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%

  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%

  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%

  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%

  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%

  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%

  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%
  • Total voters
    313
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Does ABC/ESPN, contractually, get the first picks of games? If Notre Dame would enter the Big Ten could the Big Ten network get the Notre Dame-USC game to try to get into the Los Angeles market?
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Big Ten Network gets off to good start in broadcast booth - USATODAY.com

They get to pick 2nd three times, and 3rd three times per season. ABC always gets first dibs.

You could definitely line up a few nights with multiple big games. They've done it in the past, with ND-Michigan on right before OSU plays a nationally televised OOC opponent. This would be especially attractive once they tap into other markets like NYC.
 
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jwins said:
and are a strong basketball program as well
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not so much, really. they're OK I guess. they're basketball's version of purdue's football team. good enough to beat a power when things go perfect (rain 3s :: 6 turnovers), but about average overall.

so basketball on grass on hardwood.
 
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Would you agree with 'very good' basketball team?

They seem to be on par with Illinois, but behind very strong OSU, Purdue, Wisconsin and elite Sparty.

Either way they would add good depth to an already deep league, and add eyeballs to the long basketball season on the BTN.
 
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JCOSU86;1722209; said:
...exactly what else, besides their supercalifragilistic football team do they bring to the Big Ten table? Bottom line that is the question that needs to be answered and the answer needs to be carefully scrutinized.
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Nothing extraordinarily special, I'll readily admit that. They're reasonably strong in several other areas, but there's no question it's their football program which sets them apart. And as to their football program being supercalifragilistic, when it comes to national attention, they frankly are. You may feel that's undeserved, and if so I'd agree with you to a significant extent, but it exists nonetheless.

JCOSU86;1722209; said:
There is such a thing as integrity. Hopefully that is not for sale.
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What does this mean? How would bringing Notre Dame into the BigTen evince a lack of integrity, and on whose part?
 
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The issue with Notre Dame isn't "are they the best fit?" ... but rather "who is a better fit?"

Let's assume that every school from the Big XII, ACC, Big East, and Vanderbilt is in play, and that the rest of the SEC, the entire Pac-12, and non-BCS schools are not in play.

Which of the schools in play has a better football program, going forward, than Notre Dame?

Texas, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Florida State, Miami, maybe Georgia Tech.

Which of the schools in play has a better academic reputation than Notre Dame?

Texas, Duke, Vanderbilt, maybe Virginia.

Which of the schools in play has better tradition than Notre Dame?

None, but Texas and Oklahoma are close.

Which of the schools in play has a bigger national audience than Notre Dame?

None, but Texas has a huge footprint in the southwest.

Yeah, Notre Dame, being a small, Catholic, non-AAU school isn't exactly a perfect fit for the Big Ten or the CIC, but who's any better? Texas, probably, but they've suddenly become the kid who pisses in the sandbox when he doesn't get the biggest pail. Oklahoma is a mega-power in football with huge academic and character issues. Georgia Tech and Rutgers and Virginia and whatever might be nice additions, but remember we are looking for four schools now, and would anyone seriously contend that Notre Dame isn't one of the top four candidates?

The Big Ten is in a good position right now with twelve solid programs and room to expand east, west, and/or south. The Big XII and the Big East will collapse eventually, if not this year then sooner rather than later ... the Pac 12 has been rejected by the Bevo-ites and is probably stuck looking at western schools like Boise State ... and the SEC isn't going to make a serious run at any Big Ten prospects. So we wait it out until Texas and/or Notre Dame realize that the Big Ten is their best home and then we take them and fill in the blanks, or we expand to superconference status on our time table by finding the best four from the dozen or so viable candidates that remain. Either way, we don't say "no" to Notre Dame unless they say "no" to us first.
 
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LordJeffBuck;1722254; said:
The issue with Notre Dame isn't "are they the best fit?" ... but rather "who is a better fit?"

Let's assume that every school from the Big XII, ACC, Big East, and Vanderbilt is in play, and that the rest of the SEC, the entire Pac-12, and non-BCS schools are not in play.

Which of the schools in play has a better football program, going forward, than Notre Dame?

Texas, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Florida State, Miami, maybe Georgia Tech.

Which of the schools in play has a better academic reputation than Notre Dame?

Texas, Duke, Vanderbilt, maybe Virginia.

Which of the schools in play has better tradition than Notre Dame?

None, but Texas and Oklahoma are close.

Which of the schools in play has a bigger national audience than Notre Dame?

None, but Texas has a huge footprint in the southwest.

Yeah, Notre Dame, being a small, Catholic, non-AAU school isn't exactly a perfect fit for the Big Ten or the CIC, but who's any better? Texas, probably, but they've suddenly become the kid who pisses in the sandbox when he doesn't get the biggest pail. Oklahoma is a mega-power in football with huge academic and character issues. Georgia Tech and Rutgers and Virginia and whatever might be nice additions, but remember we are looking for four schools now, and would anyone seriously contend that Notre Dame isn't one of the top four candidates?

The Big Ten is in a good position right now with twelve solid programs and room to expand east, west, and/or south. The Big XII and the Big East will collapse eventually, if not this year then sooner rather than later ... the Pac 12 has been rejected by the Bevo-ites and is probably stuck looking at western schools like Boise State ... and the SEC isn't going to make a serious run at any Big Ten prospects. So we wait it out until Texas and/or Notre Dame realize that the Big Ten is their best home and then we take them and fill in the blanks, or we expand to superconference status on our time table by finding the best four from the dozen or so viable candidates that remain. Either way, we don't say "no" to Notre Dame unless they say "no" to us first.
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Excellent points. Staying pat at twelve and sticking to the original 12-18 month time frame is the sensible thing to do. ND and Texas don't want in right now --screw 'em-- they do want in, they're just too arrogant and pompous to admit now.

Let ND go to the big east 100% (no more Big10 football) and watch them squirm.

Texas can try and save their precious big12 as long as they want.

I would rather pick up schools like Vandy and Virginia than drama queens like ND and UT. Of course that's JMHO.:)
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jwinslow;1722216; said:
They bring a significant chunk of it, and paired with Rutgers, it would be very unlikely that the BTN would not be placed on basic cable in the NYC market.
They are a tremendous athletic school overall and are a strong basketball program as well, bringing more dollars to the BTN for the two major revenue sports.

Their final rankings in the Director's cup:

09 - 17
08 - 21
07 - 21
06 - 16
05 - 06
04 - 16
03 - 19
02 - 13
01 - 13
00 - 11

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If you hate ND and want to see them wallow in mediocrity, then let's bring them in and whip them ourselves. They've enjoyed elite revenue & prestige for many decades, yet they still got tripped up by Sparty. A division of OSU, PSU, UM, MSU, Purdue would hand out plenty of humble pie.
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BINGO!
 
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zincfinger;1722296; said:
Either you or I grossly misunderstood LJB's points.
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Sorry, I'll explain.

LordJeffBuck;1722254; said:
The issue with Notre Dame isn't "are they the best fit?" ... but rather "who is a better fit?"

Let's assume that every school from the Big XII, ACC, Big East, and Vanderbilt is in play, and that the rest of the SEC, the entire Pac-12, and non-BCS schools are not in play.

Which of the schools in play has a better football program, going forward, than Notre Dame?

Texas, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Florida State, Miami, maybe Georgia Tech.

Which of the schools in play has a better academic reputation than Notre Dame?

Texas, Duke, Vanderbilt, maybe Virginia.

Which of the schools in play has better tradition than Notre Dame?

None, but Texas and Oklahoma are close.

Which of the schools in play has a bigger national audience than Notre Dame?

None, but Texas has a huge footprint in the southwest.

Yeah, Notre Dame, being a small, Catholic, non-AAU school isn't exactly a perfect fit for the Big Ten or the CIC, but who's any better? Texas, probably, but they've suddenly become the kid who pisses in the sandbox when he doesn't get the biggest pail. Oklahoma is a mega-power in football with huge academic and character issues. Georgia Tech and Rutgers and Virginia and whatever might be nice additions, but remember we are looking for four schools now, and would anyone seriously contend that Notre Dame isn't one of the top four candidates?

The Big Ten is in a good position right now with twelve solid programs and room to expand east, west, and/or south. The Big XII and the Big East will collapse eventually, if not this year then sooner rather than later ... the Pac 12 has been rejected by the Bevo-ites and is probably stuck looking at western schools like Boise State ... and the SEC isn't going to make a serious run at any Big Ten prospects. So we wait it out until Texas and/or Notre Dame realize that the Big Ten is their best home and then we take them and fill in the blanks, .or we expand to superconference status on our time table by finding the best four from the dozen or so viable candidates that remain. Either way, we don't say "no" to Notre Dame unless they say "no" to us first
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The points were somewhat similar. Certainly not identical. However...I'm not saying "NO!" to ND and UT but they've already said "No thanks." to the big10, right? So don't get hung up on the fact if they fit or not because they could, but right now, they don't want to make the move. Let's wait and see how this thing shakes out and in the meantime if the big10 makes moves towards being a superconference, so it shall be.

My second point was: I'd rather have a school like Vandy or UVA (not only those two, just an example) that might want to make the move to the big10 without making demands and become an equal member.

The big10 doesn't need ND or UT right now (or their demands) and they don't need the big10... right now.

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TS10HTW;1722319; said:
Sorry, I'll explain.






The points were somewhat similar. Certainly not identical. However...I'm not saying "NO!" to ND and UT but they've already said "No thanks." to the big10, right? So don't get hung up on the fact if they fit or not because they could, but right now, they don't want to make the move. Let's wait and see how this thing shakes out and in the meantime if the big10 makes moves towards being a superconference, so it shall be.

My second point was: I'd rather have a school like Vandy or UVA (not only those two, just an example) that might want to make the move to the big10 without making demands and become an equal member.

The big10 doesn't need ND or UT right now (or their demands) and they don't need the big10... right now.

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It's certainly possible I'm the one who misunderstood. My understanding was that LJB was answering his own leading question ""who is a better fit [for the BigTen than Notre Dame]?", as "Nobody is". In one or two elements, some school might be, but in all the elements considered together, nobody is. That would be in contrast to your stated preference for Vanderbilt or UVa. Maybe I read it that way because that's what I think, but that's how his commentary read to me. In any event, we're two posters debating what a third poster's post meant. We've probably devoted enough mental energy to it already.
 
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zincfinger;1722346; said:
It's certainly possible I'm the one who misunderstood. My understanding was that LJB was answering his own leading question ""who is a better fit [for the BigTen than Notre Dame]?", as "Nobody is". In one or two elements, some school might be, but in all the elements considered together, nobody is. That would be in contrast to your stated preference for Vanderbilt or UVa. Maybe I read it that way because that's what I think, but that's how his commentary read to me. In any event, we're two posters debating what a third poster's post meant. We've probably devoted enough mental energy to it already.
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Not how I read it at all. I read that no one makes more sense to the Big 10 than ND. ND is the one school that cause me to sing The Victors or so much as root for USC, but they bring to the Big 10 more than any other school on the block, a point LJB drives home eloquently.
 
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Well, that perfect fit has said "NO THANKS" numerous times and looking elsewhere could actually entice them to join the big10. That was what I got out of it. No doubt they're an absolute no brainer and it's they're arrogant attitude that pisses me off. They fit in every way athletically, academically, geographicaly...what's they're deal? I'm just saying they need to shit or get off the pot. ie no more big10 football games...Pull the plug on the tsun, purdue and msu games and tell 'em to go fly a kite.






FWIW - I wouldn't sing the victors under any circumstances ever. ever.
 
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