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Big 12 and SEC are taking over CFB (long)

CleveBucks said:
Exactly...

Which teams in the BCS era have made it to the MNC game due to winning the CCG?
LSU in 2003?

This Article sounds like a Trojan fan getting upset that LSU got their shot at the MNC and took their spot. Now, through all the months of spin after spin after spin, it's morphed into this. Well, outside of LSU last year and OU, who's 'taking over?' I'd still say that at least 2 of the top 3 schools in the BCS era do not reside within those confrences.
An argument could be made for OU or just maybe NU (though their fall from grace these past few years certainly hurts their cause), but who's the first SEC team to make this list? LSU because of one year? Tenn? no one else in the SEC has really made any signifigant waves.

To me, it sounds like last year's fiasco (isn't it almost always a fiasco with the BCS?) has pushed one USC fan to overreact just a bit. *shrug*.
 
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coxew said:
Nebraska didn't even get to play in the CCG. It was the same day that we won in Ann Arbor that NU got spanked by Colorado 62-36 in a regular season game for their only pre-bowl loss. Colorado then went on to win the Big 12 with a record of 10-2. They avenged an early season loss to Texas (41-7) with a 39-37 victory in the CCG and represented the Big 12 in the Fiesta Bowl as Nebraska, who didn't even play in the CCG got the opportunity to play for the national title.
Dah, brain fart on my end, sorry about that. Well, just sub OU from last year into my statement then. Personally, I feel you should have to win your conference to make it to the championship game (whether through a tournament game or conference ranking). That means no OU last year or Nebraska from 2001.
 
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Dah, brain fart on my end, sorry about that. Well, just sub OU from last year into my statement then. Personally, I feel you should have to win your conference to make it to the championship game (whether through a tournament game or conference ranking). That means no OU last year or Nebraska from 2001.
No problem.

I do have a question for those that feel you should have to win your conference to make to the championship game. Let's say for example, that in 2002, we lost an early Big 10 game but still managed to work our way back up to #2 in the BCS. Iowa still went undefeated, thus winning the Big 10 but had dropped two non-conference games and were eliminatated from the title hunt. Should we have not been eligible for the championship game, even though we were #2?
 
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coxew said:
No problem.

I do have a question for those that feel you should have to win your conference to make to the championship game. Let's say for example, that in 2002, we lost an early Big 10 game but still managed to work our way back up to #2 in the BCS. Iowa still went undefeated, thus winning the Big 10 but had dropped two non-conference games and were eliminatated from the title hunt. Should we have not been eligible for the championship game, even though we were #2?
Nope. If you are not good enough to win your own conference - how can you be the best team in the nation? the logic just doesn't support it.

My one change I would like to see is that if two teams tie for the conference championship and haven't played each other that year, that they play each other!!!! Maybe go with highest rated team gets home field or something. It would logistically be hard, but selling tickets to say - the mythical iowa @ osu game would have been easy as heck. (plus lots of people would have a chance to see a game that normally don't!!)
 
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Nope. If you are not good enough to win your own conference - how can you be the best team in the nation? the logic just doesn't support it.
I just don't buy it. A loss is a loss is a loss. Why should one team's in conference loss be penalized more than another's out of conference loss, even if it was to a much superior opponent? I would be utterly pissed off if my above example were to have occured and we didn't make the title game over another team that lacked our SOS and had say two losses, just because we didn't win the conference.
 
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coxew said:
I just don't buy it. A loss is a loss is a loss. Why should one team's in conference loss be penalized more than another's out of conference loss, even if it was to a much superior opponent? I would be utterly pissed off if my above example were to have occured and we didn't make the title game over another team that lacked our SOS and had say two losses, just because we didn't win the conference.
yes and no. a loss in conference play counts against your conference record. a loss outside conference play doesn't. no einstein revelations here but, a loss isn't really a loss is a loss....

think about this: If I ask you what game would you rather have lost? an out of conference game or an in conference game? 100% of the people would pick out of conference. why? because it doesn't hurt in your attempt to win the big 10 title. So, based on that, I would say a loss isn't a loss isn't a loss. Especially if you can say well.... I'd rather lose to ncstate(ooc) that wisconsin(in conf.). Clearly there is a preference.

I think aside from all this... losing early doesn't hurt you. losing late KILLS you.
 
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BuckStocksHere said:
think about this: If I ask you what game would you rather have lost? an out of conference game or an in conference game? 100% of the people would pick out of conference. why? because it doesn't hurt in your attempt to win the big 10 title. So, based on that, I would say a loss isn't a loss isn't a loss. Especially if you can say well.... I'd rather lose to ncstate(ooc) that wisconsin
If we had to lose a game between the two, yes I'd much rather lose to NC State because it doesn't hurt affect conference standings, but if you only have one loss, it shouldn't matter when determining who plays for the national title. You're opening yourself up to putting an undeserving team wth multiple losses in the title game just because the #2 team lost one game in conference. To me, your logic would be like an NFL team that wins 5 out of six division games, goes 5-11 and should make the playoffs because they had the best record in the division when another team goes 11-5. I realize it's not a perfect example but I'm just trying to state a case. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
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coxew said:
If we had to lose a game between the two, yes I'd much rather lose to NC State because it doesn't hurt affect conference standings, but if you only have one loss, it shouldn't matter when determining who plays for the national title. You're opening yourself up to putting an undeserving team wth multiple losses in the title game just because the #2 team lost one game in conference. To me, your logic would be like an NFL team that wins 5 out of six division games, goes 5-11 and should make the playoffs because they had the best record in the division when another team goes 11-5. I realize it's not a perfect example but I'm just trying to state a case. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
I think the problem I see with your example is that you are assuming that a multiple loss team is going to be playing for the title over a one loss team!? yes? I think while there is a chance in a very down year for cfb, it isn't likely nowadays.

Let's say OSU has one conference loss but doesn't win their conference. That means the team that did win the conference had zero conference losses. I'd bet that team also probably didn't lose two ooc games if they ran the table in the big 10. If they had one loss in conference also...then they would be tied for the title. This of course doesn't mean that the big 10 champ is one of the best 2 teams anyway!?! Lots of assumptions and I suppose it could play out a zillion different ways.

Sure, we can agree to disagree. Though: would you be happy if Michigan didn't win the big 10 but got to play for the title? OVER OSU!?!?!!? (probably can't happen due to the fact they play late in the year, unless scUM was undefeated going in and OSU had one loss...hmmm...) argh...too many possibilities to think about. oh well.
 
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souL: "This Article sounds like a Trojan fan getting upset that LSU got their shot at the MNC and took their spot."

I think this is true. I don't know why Trojan fans are bitching about this. IMO, USC could've & would've beaten any team in the country ON A NEUTRAL SITE. However, the Sugar Bowl wasn't a neutral site.

LSU had their first taste of glory in over 50 years. The game was in New Orleans, with every LSU alum in the world in the area (like Tibbs' boy, James Carville), the stadium was rockin', and the fans were drunk and rowdy. No one, and I mean NO ONE could've walked into that stadium on that day and won.

So, in retrospect, the Trojans didn't have to play an LSU team in enemy territory, pounced on scUM on their home turf, got a slice of the National Title, and this year have a great legit shot to win Back to Back Titles (which don't come around too often).

There's no argument you could make to me for LSU losing that game. It would be like Miami coming to play the '03 Fiesta Bowl against OSU at the HorseShoe. And I thought SC had the better team than the Tigers. Again, I don't know what SC fans are bitching about.
 
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If you lose a game-don't bitch about the hand you are dealt-period. Honestly, if you ask an average football fan (not in Ohio) in 30 years which team he remembers more about the 2002 Buckeyes, or the 2003 LSU/USC-he will say the Bucks. If no one is undefeated, what the heck, let two fan bases be happy. The BCS isn't perfect, but I'm damn glad the 2002 Buckeyes only had to play Miami after the Big 10 season was over, as opposed to having to play 3 more games against tough opponents.
 
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Stevie Bellisari: "If you lose a game-don't bitch about the hand you are dealt-period."

I couldn't agree more. When you lose, accept the fact that you just handed your fate out of your hands and into another's, and consider yourself lucky to be given another shot at the NC. National Championships aren't preordained, they're earned. Earned by going unbeaten. And, it wasn't like Cal was the best team in CFB last year. To me, you got no excuse.

"The BCS isn't perfect, but I'm damn glad the 2002 Buckeyes only had to play Miami after the Big 10 season was over, as opposed to having to play 3 more games against tough opponents."

The 2002 Season is a perfect example of why CFB doesn't need a playoff. For every 2003, you have five seasons like '98 to '02, where there's a clear-cut National Champion. In 2002, there were 2 teams left standing when the smoke cleared, and in the end, one team.
 
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