BCS Selection Procedures 2010 season/2011 Bowls (Big Ten Tiebreaker Rules)

[Zurp]

You say the Rose Bowl is forced to take an automatic qualifier from a non-BCS conference, such as TCU or Boise or whatever. And I understand the reason why the BCS started that rule. (Basically, since the Rose Bowl has 2 conferences tied to it, they are always assured of a Big Ten - PAC-10 match-up, unless one of those conferences has the #1 or #2 team. In that case, the Rose Bowl has always gotten the #1 or #2 pick from the teams not already tied to another bowl game, and they've always chosen NOT to take the Boise-type teams, which isn't fair to the rest of the kids in the class.)

Anyway, my question is whether this is a yearly rule, or a rotating rule? Like, once every 4 years, the Rose Bowl needs to pick a non-BCS conference team?

 

[BB73]

You say the Rose Bowl is forced to take an automatic qualifier from a non-BCS conference, such as TCU or Boise or whatever. And I understand the reason why the BCS started that rule. (Basically, since the Rose Bowl has 2 conferences tied to it, they are always assured of a Big Ten - PAC-10 match-up, unless one of those conferences has the #1 or #2 team. In that case, the Rose Bowl has always gotten the #1 or #2 pick from the teams not already tied to another bowl game, and they've always chosen NOT to take the Boise-type teams, which isn't fair to the rest of the kids in the class.)

Anyway, my question is whether this is a yearly rule, or a rotating rule? Like, once every 4 years, the Rose Bowl needs to pick a non-BCS conference team?

It will only occur once (if at all) in the next 4 years. It will be a while before it's known whether or not that rule will be retained in its present form for the bowls following the 2014-17 seasons, assuming the BCS is still in place.

From post #1 (boldness added):

Note - If the Rose Bowl loses either the Big Ten or Pac Ten Champion to the Title game this year, AND if a non-AQ team gets an automatic bid (by winning their conference and being in the top-12), the Rose Bowl MUST pick that non-AQ team, such as Boise State or TCU. This rule is in place for the next 4 years, although it will need to be satisfied only once in that period. Edit - The Rose Bowl is NOT required to do this if the highest non-AQ team is already in the BCS Title game.

 

[BB73]

Rose Bowl nightmare - Oregon State goes 9-3, but wins the Pac Ten automatic bid in a tiebreaker after winning the Civil War.

Their opponent - a 1-loss Boise St. or TCU team that won their conference and is ranked in the top-12, thus forcing the Rose Bowl to select them if tOSU is in the BCS Title Game.

9-3 Oregon State facing a non-AQ team they've already played - that will get fans excited about the Rose Bowl, won't it?

On the other side of the picture, if tOSU is #1, Boise St #2, and TCU #3, the Rose Bowl will not be required to select TCU to replace tOSU (since Boise St is the highest non-AQ team), but will they select them as the highest rated team available? And if they do, will the BCS powers allow them to have that selection satisfy the requirement that they take one 'automatic qualifier from a non-AQ' conference, since TCU at #3 in that situation is not an 'automatic qualifier'? NOTE - the provision that #3 teams get an automatic berth only applies to teams from AQ conferences that didn't win their conference, so if Boise St is above them, #3 TCU is an 'at-large' team.

The Rose Bowl would probably want to select a #3 TCU team, since it's better to take a team that high than be stuck with a lower-ranked non-AQ team over the next 3 years, but they'd only want to take them if they don't have to take another non-AQ team later. However, the literal interpretation of the rules would not satisfy that requirement, so they'd have to ask for a ruling before making their selection.

This last scenario probably requires tOSU, Boise St and TCU to all go undefeated, and have a 1-loss Big XII champion and a 2-loss SEC champion.

 

[HuskerFromOhio]

A 1 loss OU team has too good of a schedule the computers will more then make up any difference if Boise State is ranked ahead.

 

[BB73]

Time to put the Big Ten's Rose Bowl tiebreaking procedure in here. But I'm closing the thread so this stays easily viewable - discussion will take place here.

If Sparty wins out, they're in the Rose Bowl unless they end up BCS #1 or #2. If they go to the BCS title game, then the Rose Bowl would be forced to take the highest ranked among Boise-TCU-Utah, as long as that ranking is somewhere between BCS #3 and BCS #12/16 (16 applies if an AQ-champ is below the non-AQ team).

If Sparty loses 1 game and tOSU wins out, the two-team tiebreaker is the higher-ranked team in the BCS (since there's no head-to-head and both teams would have the same overall record).

For a 3-way 1-loss tie with Sparty, Wiscy, and tOSU, it would be decided by the highest ranked BCS team. They do NOT use best winning % among games played head-to-head among the 3 teams.

For a 3-way 1-loss tie with Iowa, Sparty, and tOSU - Iowa would be eliminated based on overall record, and then Sparty-tOSU would be decided based on higher BCS ranking. Edit - this is no longer possible due to Iowa's loss to Wiscy.

A 3-way 1-loss tie with Iowa, Wiscy, and tOSU is not possible due to games remaining.

In summary, if tOSU wins out, 1 Sparty loss should put tOSU in the Rose Bowl, since they'd presumably be above Sparty and Wiscy in the BCS but not back to BCS #1 or #2. But if Sparty makes the BCS Title Game, tOSU would not get the Rose Bowl unless Sparty's opponent in the Title Game is a non-AQ team (edit - or Oregon).

I'm not bothering to determine 2-loss champion scenarios at this point.

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Remaining schedules:

Sparty (8-0, 4-0): @Iowa, Minn, Purd, @PSU

Wisc (7-1, 3-1): @Purd, Ind, @TSUN, NW

tOSU (7-1, 3-1): @Minn, PSU, @Iowa, TSUN

Iowa (5-2, 2-1): Sparty, @Ind, @NW, tOSU, Minn

 

[BB73]

Updating the scenarios after this weekend.

If Wiscy loses 1 more game and tOSU wins out, the two-team tiebreaker between tOSU and Sparty is the higher-ranked team in the BCS (since there's no head-to-head and both teams would have the same overall record).

For a 3-way 1-loss tie with Sparty, Wiscy, and tOSU (meaning they all win out), it would be decided by the highest ranked BCS team. They do NOT use best winning % among games played head-to-head among the 3 teams.

A 3-way 1-loss tie with Iowa, Sparty, and tOSU is no longer possible due to Iowa's loss to Wiscy.

A 3-way 1-loss tie with Iowa, Wiscy, and tOSU is not possible due to the tOSu-Iowa game remaining.

For a 3-way 1-loss tie with Sparty, Wiscy, and Iowa, it would go to Sparty, since Iowa is first eliminated due to overall record, and then the head-to-head applies.

In summary, if tOSU wins out, they're in a beauty contest with Wiscy in the BCS to determine who goes to the Rose Bowl, since they'll both stay ahead of Sparty in the BCS if they win out.

I'm not bothering to determine 2-loss champion scenarios at this point.

Big.Ten.AQ.Rules

Remaining schedules:

Sparty (9-1, 5-1): Purd, @PSU

tOSU (8-1, 4-1): PSU, @Iowa, TSUN

Wisc (8-1, 4-1): Ind, @TSUN, NW

Iowa (7-2, 4-1): @NW, tOSU, Minn

 

[BB73]

Thanks to t_BuckeyeScott for finding this clarification on the Rose Bowl and selection of a non-AQ team.

Adam Rittenberg contacted the Rose Bowl to determine if their optional choice of a non-AQ team would satisfy their once-in-four-years requirement to take a non-AQ team when either the Pac Ten or Big Ten Champion in in the BCS Title game.

This scenario comes into play in a situation such as Oregon-TCU being the BCS Title game. In that event, the Rose Bowl doesn't have to select Boise State, since TCU is the highest non-AQ team. But the Rose Bowl said that if they do select Boise State in that situation, they would not have to select a non-AQ team for the Rose Bowls following the 2011-12-13 seasons, since they only have to take one non-AQ team in a four-year period. But if no Pac Ten or Big Ten team makes the title game in those years, they wouldn't have to select a non-AQ team, so it would be a calculated risk for the Rose Bowl.

 

[BB73]

Here are the most likely scenarios for the BCS Bowls, based on what can happen in the remaining games.

NOTE - OPTIONAL PICKS are bolded in the order they'll be made

If Auburn and Oregon both win:

BCS Title: Auburn-Oregon
Rose: Wisconsin-TCU (tOSU won't pass Wiscy in the BCS, and the Rose is required to take TCU if Oregon is in the Title Game)
Sugar: Arkansas (to replace Auburn) vs. tOSU (at-large selection)
Orange: VT-FSU winner vs Stanford or WVU/UConn/Pitt
Fiesta: Neb-Okla winner vs Stanford or WVU/UConn (forced to take last AQ team, both Big East Champion and #4 Stanford have AQ spots)

If Auburn loses to S Car and Oregon wins:

BCS Title: Oregon-TCU (assuming TCU doesn't get jumped by Stanford or Wiscy)
Rose: Wisconsin-Stanford (non-AQ requirement lifted if TCU is in Title game, and the Rose would love to take Stanford)
Sugar: S Carolina-tOSU (at-large selection)
Orange: VT-FSU winner vs Auburn (at-large selection)
Fiesta: Neb-Okla winner vs WVU/UConn/Pitt (forced to take AQ team)

If Oregon loses to Oregon State and Auburn wins:

BCS Title: Auburn-TCU (assuming TCU doesn't get jumped by Stanford or Wiscy)
Rose: Wisconsin-Oregon
Sugar: Arkansas (to replace Auburn) vs tOSU (at-large selection)
Orange: VT-FSU winner vs Stanford or WVU/UConn/Pitt
Fiesta: Neb-Okla winner vs Stanford or WVU/UConn/Pitt (forced to take AQ team)

If both Auburn and Oregon lose:

BCS Title: TCU-Stanford (guessing they'll both stay ahead of Wiscy)
Rose: Wisconsin-Oregon (and the possibility of a split AP champion exists)
Sugar: S Carolina-tOSU (at-large selection)
Orange: VT-FSU winner vs Auburn (at-large selection)
Fiesta: Neb-Okla winner vs WVU/UConn/Pitt

I don't see any other scenarios which will affect these selections. If you have any questions, please send me a PM, and I'll update this post if I missed anything relevant. I'm keeping this as the last post in the thread so it can be easily accessed.