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Are the Buckeyes more geared for a Ntl. Championship in 2010 or 2011

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corwinator3407

corwinator3407

I love Tresselball
We got six weeks off now before the Rose Bowl, I thought this could be an interesting discussion..

In your opinion, are the Buckeyes more likely to be National Championship bound in 2010 or 2011??

I told my friends early on this season that I was willing to bet that this team would be going to the 'Ship next season. Losing one offensive starter in Cordle and two defensive starters (Coleman and Russell) I think easily makes them a early favorite when Herby ranks his top 5 teams after the 'Ship this year.
Only concern is with either Gibson or Heyward leaving, both are absolute monsters and will be playing on Sundays for a long time, but Todd McShay didn't have either in his top 5 DLine rankings when I saw last? I don't know if he just ranked seniors but I know neither of them were there. I really hope both return to a defense that I wouldn't trade for anyones. The only question is who will be starting Safeties.

The only real debate I had when deciding which year was more likely to see the Ntl. Championship was whether (most of) their junior years would get them all ready as seniors to reach their complete peaks and have the best possible (mostly referring to the offensive guys, Pryor, all RBs and WRs) but I think with the defense for next year that gives them their best chance, not really having an idea of what the defense would be for 2011.


Thoughts? Opinions?
 
Schedule is much more manageable in 10 than 11.

2010
Marshall
Miami(FL)
Ohio
E. Mich
@ Ill
Indiana
@ Wisc
Purdue
@ Minn
PSU
@ Iowa
scUM

2011

Akron
Toledo
@ Miami(Fl)
Mich St.
@ PSU
TBA(home)
Minn
@ Ind
Northwestern
@ Pur
Iowa
@ scUM

Having only 4 road games and Miami/PSU/scUM at home compared to the following year's 5 road games and all of those on the road is a plus for 2010. Also adding MSU and Northwestern over Illinois and Wisonsin could be an addition for 2011. The defense will likely lose alot from 2010 to 2011. And the offense (if it plays to potential) could lose alot to the draft/ graduation. Alot of teams will be down next year as well. Florida loses everything, Texas loses alot, OKLa loses alot and the ACC/Big East always eat each other up. So it could come down to ALA/USC and who knows. Tress seems to build for even years (exception is 04). Next year is the year. It always was and I believe it is OSU's best shot for a few years.
 
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My general sense of the fundamental issues of 2010:

Offense

  • JT is actually going to be able to start playing real Tresselball again soon if the OL continues to develop and with what the stable of backs looks to be next year.
  • Pryor seems to have finally learned the game manager part of playing QB. If he becomes a legitimate passing threat JT will be able to run his kind of offense with some real potency.
  • The downside is that means the defense and ST have to play nearly flawless football as just doing enough to get by on offense leaves little room for a bad day anywhere else.
Defense

  • Thad and Coleman gone along with some of the DL depth. I think the young talent at DL will be ok, especially if Floyd comes on board.
  • Safety scares me.
  • LB talent is sick
ST's

  • First time I'm concerned about it under JT's watch but then again this is the first year of an inconsistent punter and it didn't kill us so it will probably be ok.
Schedule

  • first 4 games at home includes Da U early. No idea what to expect there except Harris can pass pretty well if given a chance.
  • PSU, Purdue, IU and scUM at home
  • Illinois, Wisky, Iowa and Minny on the road. Wisky and Iowa should be real tests.
  • Bye week before PSU
All in all its one of those years where the better big ten games are road games but looking this early we should be favored in every game we play.
 
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Looking at it by position group, assuming everyone progresses a little from 2010 to 2011...

QB: 2011 should be better
*Unless Pryor leaves

RB: 2011 should be better
*I'm assuming Roderick Smith or someone emerges as a 1st-2nd-3rd round type of back, off-setting Saine graduating

OL: 2011 should be better
*Two contributors that graduate, Boren and Browning, unless someone leaves early which isn't likely at this point.

WR: 2011 should be better
*Only loss is Sanz and there is so much young talent that can develop into something as good or better that I have to give the edge to 2011. Unless Posey leaves early.

Offensively, 2011 should overwhelmingly be better than 2010


DL: 2010 should be better only if Heyward stays
I don't think Gibson leaving is a huge loss with the depth at WDE. Heyward leaving means the only big loss after 2010 is Larimore

LB: 2010 probably...
Those young guys could turn out to be better than Homan/Rolle/etc. though

CB: 2010 only if Chekwa stays
Otherwise, I think the extra year helps the young guys make 2011 better

S: 2010 but close...
Too difficult to tell how these young guys will progress at this point but losing Hines could be a decent loss next year

Defensively 2010 should be better if Heyward stays.

These things never turn out like they "should be" because it depends so much on how players develop. But on paper, right now I think 2011 has the slight edge. That offense with the additional experience on the line and all of these athletes at the skill positions that Tressel has been stockpiling the last few years should be nasty. OSU defense just reloads and these young guys probably turn into the next set of stars by 2011.
 
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BigJim;1603871; said:
Looking at it by position group, assuming everyone progresses a little from 2010 to 2011...

QB: 2011 should be better
*Unless Pryor leaves

RB: 2011 should be better
*I'm assuming Roderick Smith or someone emerges as a 1st-2nd-3rd round type of back, off-setting Saine graduating

OL: 2011 should be better
*Only contributor that graduates is Browning, unless someone leaves early which isn't likely at this point

WR: 2011 should be better
*Only loss is Sanz and there is so much young talent that can develop into something as good or better that I have to give the edge to 2011. Unless Posey leaves early.

Offensively, 2011 should overwhelmingly be better than 2010


DL: 2010 should be better only if Heyward stays
I don't think Gibson leaving is a huge loss with the depth at WDE. Heyward leaving means the only big loss after 2010 is Larimore

LB: 2010 probably...
Those young guys could turn out to be better than Homan/Rolle/etc. though

CB: 2010 only if Chekwa stays
Otherwise, I think the extra year helps the young guys make 2011 better

S: 2010 but close...
Too difficult to tell how these young guys will progress at this point but losing Hines could be a decent loss next year

Defensively 2010 should be better if Heyward stays.

These things never turn out like they "should be" because it depends so much on how players develop. But on paper, right now I think 2011 has the slight edge. That offense with the additional experience on the line and all of these athletes at the skill positions that Tressel has been stockpiling the last few years should be nasty. OSU defense just reloads and these young guys probably turn into the next set of stars by 2011.
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Justin Boren also graduates after next season.
 
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Tlangs;1603822; said:
my opinion:

reffering to a national title as 'ship is the dumbest thing i have ever heard.
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My apologies. I wanted to get this quick post in before my work break ended and didn't feel like typing out championship.
Was hoping to get no negative comments on my first posted thread topic, I guess I failed.
 
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corwinator3407;1603988; said:
My apologies. I wanted to get this quick post in before my work break ended and didn't feel like typing out championship.
Was hoping to get no negative comments on my first posted thread topic, I guess I failed.
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We're all on the same team.. No worries.

:oh:
 
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Was hoping to get no negative comments on my first posted thread topic, I guess I failed.
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No worries. We live to find fault.

If your post had been perfect I would have edited in a couple of mistakes.


As for your question - it is all about the Pryor. If his ship sails early our best chance at a ship is 2010. If he stays they will be shipping the ship to Cbus in 2011.
 
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