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So we were both right. Moss is a great player...but it's pretty hard to get dropped by the Semin-Aholes.
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edbuck51
SoCal Buckeye
Doesn't it seem that taking a player with known issues is a lot different than taking a player who might be a problem child? I don't remember hearing a lot of bad stuff about Clarett before he came to OSU, and, while the things he did are scoffed at by many, did he really do anything more than display major immaturity?
Osborne got in trouble with Phillips when he didn't come down on him after indescretions in college. Was he in lots of trouble before going to Nebraska? I'm certainly not familiar enough with him to answer that. I believe a man deserves a second chance, but Coach Osborne probably gave him too much rope.
Obviously Coach Pruett felt Moss was worth his indescretions, and that relationship seemed to work out for both parties. I'm not sure that is the right way to look at it, but that seems to be the case.
Football is a violent game. The men who play football are tough, driven to compete, have egos, risk serious injury, for the sport they love. All football players have various levels of emotional and mental stability. My guess is these types of people are not always easy to evaluate. Some send lots of signals, like Mr. Ohio Football from Benedictine, and you stay away from them. Others certainly look to be legit, then have problems. I seriously doubt Ohio State can have the kind of on-field success the booster and alumni expect with 85 preacher's sons on the roster. It's a balancing act for sure, and when a bad egg turns up for Tressel, Carr, Bowden, Stoops, Carroll, Saban, Paterno, et al, tons of self-rightous nay sayers are going to be all over them. It's hard to have your cake and eat it too.
Osborne got in trouble with Phillips when he didn't come down on him after indescretions in college. Was he in lots of trouble before going to Nebraska? I'm certainly not familiar enough with him to answer that. I believe a man deserves a second chance, but Coach Osborne probably gave him too much rope.
Obviously Coach Pruett felt Moss was worth his indescretions, and that relationship seemed to work out for both parties. I'm not sure that is the right way to look at it, but that seems to be the case.
Football is a violent game. The men who play football are tough, driven to compete, have egos, risk serious injury, for the sport they love. All football players have various levels of emotional and mental stability. My guess is these types of people are not always easy to evaluate. Some send lots of signals, like Mr. Ohio Football from Benedictine, and you stay away from them. Others certainly look to be legit, then have problems. I seriously doubt Ohio State can have the kind of on-field success the booster and alumni expect with 85 preacher's sons on the roster. It's a balancing act for sure, and when a bad egg turns up for Tressel, Carr, Bowden, Stoops, Carroll, Saban, Paterno, et al, tons of self-rightous nay sayers are going to be all over them. It's hard to have your cake and eat it too.
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stxbuck
Woody wore Sambas
I would not characterize Moss as a thug. Immature headcase-absolutely.
He lost his ND scholly after he beat the crap out of some white-trash peckerwood who apparently started some racial stuff w/ him at his HS. I can't condone his actions, but I didn't grow up black in the mountains of WV,either.
FSU-smoked some reefer. Again-stupid, but not inherent criminality
Irizarry graduated from idiot to "thug" w/ his second offense,IMO.
He lost his ND scholly after he beat the crap out of some white-trash peckerwood who apparently started some racial stuff w/ him at his HS. I can't condone his actions, but I didn't grow up black in the mountains of WV,either.
FSU-smoked some reefer. Again-stupid, but not inherent criminality
Irizarry graduated from idiot to "thug" w/ his second offense,IMO.
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LouisHMartinez
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Whitley chose not to sign with YSU because of the defensive scheme run there
He thought they played too much zone defense and it wouldn't prepare him for the league. He went on to play at some school in Illinois.
I don't see much if any difference in Cooper and Tressel when it comes to kids getting into trouble. But mark my word, if Tressel starts losing they will become talked about more.
He thought they played too much zone defense and it wouldn't prepare him for the league. He went on to play at some school in Illinois.
I don't see much if any difference in Cooper and Tressel when it comes to kids getting into trouble. But mark my word, if Tressel starts losing they will become talked about more.
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LouisHMartinez
All-American
I got the wrong kid: it was New York Giant William Peterson
He's the kid and not Whitley. Peterson was recruited by Tressel to YSU after being dismissed from TSUN but chose not to come.
He's the kid and not Whitley. Peterson was recruited by Tressel to YSU after being dismissed from TSUN but chose not to come.
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DiHard
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predicting how a young man develops from the age of 18-22 is a tricky proposition.....how you respond to his development is a totally different scenario...
jt has responded well to the situations these young men get themselves into.....i cant think of another coach that deals with these kids and their problems better....
oh8ch said it best.....
jt has responded well to the situations these young men get themselves into.....i cant think of another coach that deals with these kids and their problems better....
oh8ch said it best.....
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daddyphatsacs
Let the cards fall...
I believe in giving almost any young kid a chance, they will develop character significantly from 18-24. I would also make it known to that player that it is a privledge to play at OSU and if you fuck it up someone else will take your scholarship.
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