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  • Debate rages on use of cervical cancer vaccine
    While almost 100% effective, some contend use condones teen sex




    Washington -- A new vaccine that protects against cervical cancer has set up a clash between health advocates who want to use the shots aggressively to prevent thousands of malignancies and social conservatives who say immunizing teen-agers could encourage sexual activity.
    Although the vaccine will not become available until next year at the earliest, activists on both sides have begun maneuvering to influence how widely the immunizations will be employed.
    Groups working to reduce the toll of the cancer are eagerly awaiting the vaccine and want it to become part of the standard roster of shots that children, especially girls, receive just before puberty.
    Because the vaccine protects against a sexually transmitted virus, many conservatives oppose making it mandatory, citing fears that it could send a subtle message condoning sexual activity before marriage. Several leading groups that promote abstinence are meeting this week to formulate official policies on the vaccine.
    Officials from the companies developing the shots -- Merck & Co. and GlaxoSmithKline -- have been meeting with advocacy groups to try to assuage their concerns.
    The jockeying reflects the growing influence social conservatives, who had long felt overlooked by Washington, have gained on a broad spectrum of policy issues under the Bush administration. In this case, a former member of the conservative group Focus on the Family serves on the federal panel that is playing a pivotal role in deciding how the vaccine is used.
    "What the Bush administration has done has taken this coterie of people and put them into very influential positions in Washington," said James Morone Jr., a professor of political science at Brown University. "And it's having an effect in debates like this."
    The vaccine protects women against strains of a ubiquitous germ called the human papilloma virus. Although many strains of the virus are innocuous, some can cause cancerous lesions on the cervix (the outer end of the uterus), making them the primary cause of this cancer in the United States. Cervical cancer strikes more than 10,000 U.S. women each year, killing more than 3,700.
    The vaccine appears to be virtually 100 percent effective against two of the most common cancer-causing HPV strains. Merck, whose vaccine is further along, plans to ask the Food and Drug Administration by the end of the year for approval to sell the shots.
    Exactly how the vaccine is used will be largely determined by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), a panel of experts assembled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. The panel issues widely followed guidelines, including recommendations for childhood vaccines that become the basis for vaccination requirements set by public schools.
    Officials of both companies noted that research indicates the best age to vaccinate would be just before puberty to make sure children are protected before they become sexually active. The vaccine would probably be targeted primarily at girls but could also be used on boys to limit the spread of the virus.
    "I would like to see it that if you don't have your HPV vaccine, you can't start high school," said Juan Carlos Felix of the University of Southern California, who leads the National Cervical Cancer Coalition's medical advisory panel.
    At the ACIP meeting last week, panel members heard presentations about the pros and cons of vaccinating girls at various ages. A survey of 294 pediatricians presented at the meeting found that more than half were worried that parents of female patients might refuse the vaccine, and 11 percent of the doctors said they thought vaccinating against a sexually transmitted disease "may encourage risky sexual behavior in my adolescent patients."
    Conservative groups say they welcome the vaccine as an important public health tool but oppose making it mandatory.
    "Some people have raised the issue of whether this vaccine may be sending an overall message to teen-agers that, 'We expect you to be sexually active,' " said Reginald Finger, a doctor trained in public health who served as a medical analyst for Focus on the Family before being appointed to the ACIP in 2003.
    "There are people who sense that it could cause people to feel like sexual behaviors are safer if they are vaccinated and may lead to more sexual behavior because they feel safe," said Finger, emphasizing he does not endorse that position and is withholding judgment until the issue comes before the vaccine policy panel for a formal recommendation.
    Conservative medical groups have been fielding calls from concerned parents and organizations, officials said.
    "I've talked to some who have said, 'This is going to sabotage our abstinence message,' " said Gene Rudd, associate executive director of the Christian Medical and Dental Associations. But Rudd said most people change their minds once they learn more, adding he would probably want his children immunized. Rudd, however, draws the line at making the vaccine mandatory.
    "Parents should have the choice. There are those who would say, 'We can provide a better, healthier alternative than the vaccine, and that is to teach abstinence,' " Rudd said.
    The council plans to meet Wednesday to discuss the issue. On the same day, the Medical Institute for Sexual Health in Austin, Texas, which advises conservative groups on sexuality and health issues, is convening a one-day meeting to develop a position statement.
    Alan Kaye, executive director of the National Cervical Cancer Coalition, likened the vaccine to wearing a seat belt. "Just because you wear a seat belt doesn't mean you're seeking out an accident," Kaye said. <!-- END STORY -->
     
    Because the vaccine protects against a sexually transmitted virus, many conservatives oppose making it mandatory, citing fears that it could send a subtle message condoning sexual activity before marriage.

    There you go. Nothing to do with raging hormones at all. It is all about sending 'subtle messages'. A few cases of cervical cancer is just the price we have to pay to encourage young ladies to keep their knickers up? Sex is MUCH worse than cancer anyhow, don't you think?
     
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    "I've talked to some who have said, 'This is going to sabotage our abstinence message,' " said Gene Rudd, associate executive director of the Christian Medical and Dental Associations.

    In other news, Gene Rudd said that research on a vaccine for rabies should be stopped, since having the vaccine would encourage young people to have sex with animals that are foaming at the mouth.

    I also think that the fact Gene Rudd is worried about teen sex, and is the associate executive director of the Christian Medical and Dental Associations, indicates that he's expecting teenagers to have oral sex.
     
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    "I would like to see it that if you don't have your HPV vaccine, you can't start high school," said Juan Carlos Felix of the University of Southern California, who leads the National Cervical Cancer Coalition's medical advisory panel.

    Huh? Sounds like both sides of this "debate" are a little bit :crazy:
     
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    Re-read the article carefully people. No one who has the opinions attributed to "social conservatives" in the opening sentance is actually quoted in the article. Everyone says, "I hear people who say..." or "some parents are concerned about..." No one actually says, "I think that..."

    In this case, a former member of the conservative group Focus on the Family serves on the federal panel that is playing a pivotal role in deciding how the vaccine is used.
    Makes it sound like some nutcase who only got his job so Bush could appease the "religious right" is going to stop the distribution of an important cancer drug. Yet we then get this quote
    "Some people have raised the issue of whether this vaccine may be sending an overall message to teen-agers that, 'We expect you to be sexually active,' " said Reginald Finger, a doctor trained in public health who served as a medical analyst for Focus on the Family before being appointed to the ACIP in 2003.
    "There are people who sense that it could cause people to feel like sexual behaviors are safer if they are vaccinated and may lead to more sexual behavior because they feel safe," said Finger, emphasizing he does not endorse that position and is withholding judgment until the issue comes before the vaccine policy panel for a formal recommendation.

    So he's 1) qualified and 2) doesn't agree with the assertion (no one does apparently) and 3) has not formulated an opinion yet.

    The only issue really being debated is if the vaccine should be mandatory. I think that's a reasonable debate for doctors in the public health arena to have!

    Who wrote this thing anyway... Merck?
     
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    I have two daughters.

    You give them the means to be free of Cervical Cancer. That's your job as a doctor/government/researcher/pharmaceutical company.

    I'll prevent teenage fornication. That's my job as a father. Let me be the fucking parent.
     
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    I have two daughters.

    You give them the means to be free of Cervical Cancer. That's your job as a doctor/government/researcher/pharmaceutical company.

    I'll prevent teenage fornication. That's my job as a father. Let me be the fucking parent.
    Unfortunately, you are in the minority... Most parents, it seems to me, are not involved enough with their children. Of course... young, non-parent that I am, I'm in a wonderful position to criticize :wink:


    Oh, and for the record... just distribute the damn vaccine, already!
     
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    Unfortunately, you are in the minority... Most parents, it seems to me, are not involved enough with their children. Of course... young, non-parent that I am, I'm in a wonderful position to criticize :wink:

    I know. Its sad how often I see parents expecting everyone else to raise their kids. I hate it.

    If could not work and spend all day with my kids, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I love spending time with them, teaching them, coaching them. Its everything I thougt being a father would be.

    I see too many people who are just disinterested in their own kids. I hate it.
     
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    I know. Its sad how often I see parents expecting everyone else to raise their kids. I hate it.

    If could not work and spend all day with my kids, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I love spending time with them, teaching them, coaching them. Its everything I thougt being a father would be.

    I see too many people who are just disinterested in their own kids. I hate it.

    I see it everyday, even in college. I talk to my parents 2 days a week at least while I have friends who talk to them once a month if that. My parents are still very interested in how I'm doing in class, what i do on the weekends (minus some details :wink: ) but overall very interested. I've seen too many parents nowadays think that schools are meant to educate their children and not them. I have always felt that I learned 5x more from my parents and jobs than school ever taught me. Keep making yourself a big part of your kids' lives Scooter cause they will appreciate it, even through the growing pains they will go through
     
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    Many school disctricts already require proof of vaccination for other diseases before kids start kindergarten or grade school.

    The possible difference I see with this one is that HPV requires some "work" to spread.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think most mandatory vaccinations are for diseases that can be easily spread through airborne means or minor contact.
     
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    Does everyone have me on ignore?

    I think people are still missing the point. There IS NO DEBATE about whether or not this vaccine should be made available/distributed. No evil conservative group is supporting cervical cancer. Merck hasn't even asked the FDA for approval to sell the shots yet.
     
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    Does everyone have me on ignore?

    I think people are still missing the point. There IS NO DEBATE about whether or not this vaccine should be made available/distributed. No evil conservative group is supporting cervical cancer. Merck hasn't even asked the FDA for approval to sell the shots yet.

    Is there a breeze in here? I think I here something? Nah, guess not.
     
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