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I don't know when they implemented that rule. I'm fairly certain it was before 1997, though.

I found this snippit:

http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/football/2004/d1a_postseason_handbook.pdf

Under Deserving Winning Team:

...must have more wins than losses against Division I-A opponents to be elligible to participate in a bowl game...

Maybe Purdue a couple years ago was 6-5 against I-A opponents, and 0-1 against I-AA? Did they lose to a I-AA team? That would be embarassing.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
6-6 teams are not bowl eligible (that's why Northwestern had to win at Hawaii to go bowling last year...they lost and ended up 6-6 and didn't go to a bowl).
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Looks like a 6-6 UCLA team went bowling after the 2003 season.

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L
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09-06-2003
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14
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Colorado
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16
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Boulder, CO
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W
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09-13-2003
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6
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Illinois
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3
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Pasadena, CA
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L
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09-20-2003
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24
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Oklahoma
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59
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Norman, OK
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W
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09-27-2003
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20
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San Diego St. (CA)
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10
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Pasadena, CA
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W
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10-04-2003
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46
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Washington
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16
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Pasadena, CA
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W
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10-11-2003
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24
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Arizona
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21
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Tucson, AZ
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W
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10-18-2003
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23
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California
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20
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Pasadena, CA
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W
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10-25-2003
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20
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Arizona St.
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13
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Pasadena, CA
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L
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11-01-2003
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14
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Stanford (CA)
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21
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Stanford, CA
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L
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11-08-2003
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13
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Washington St.
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31
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Pullman, WA
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L
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11-15-2003
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13
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Oregon
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31
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Pasadena, CA
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11-22-2003
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22
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Southern California
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47
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Los Angeles, CA
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12-30-2003
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9
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Fresno St. (CA)
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17
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Silicon Valley Classic
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Obviously they changed the requirements. I remember during The Game they had mentioned that Michigan State could no longer go bowling even if they won at Hawaii because that would only put them at 6-6, and that Northwestern had to win at Hawaii because 6-6 would not make them eligible.
 
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I'm trying to find the current regulations - it's not easy. I found this from 2002:

The NCAA News -- February 18, 2002

Now that the NCAA Football Study Oversight Committee has determined what it believes Division I-A football-playing institutions should look like, the group has determined what it thinks Division I-A conferences should resemble.
Thus, the enhancements developed by the Division I-AA Football Committee and the Division I-AA Football Governance Committee include recommending a modification to the Division I-A bowl eligibility requirements so that a Division I-A institution may count one victory over a qualified Division I-AA institution every year instead of once every four years. The thinking is that eliminating the "once-in-four-year" requirement would provide opportunities for current Division I-AA institutions to generate additional revenues while continuing their regional rivalries with Division I-A schools.

In a related matter, the committee endorsed a recommendation that, on a one-year trial basis, teams with a 6-6 record in 2002 would be bowl eligible.
 
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Looks like everybody was remembering something correctly. The rule is now 6 wins with a winning record, with a possible exception for a conference champion. There was a temporary waiver of the winning record during the 12-game seasons of 2002 and 2003. One win against I-AA can be used every 4 years. A team can schedule a 12th game in Hawaii, but if they go 6-6 they can't go bowling.

I'm waiting for a team to lose a conference championship game to finish 6-6. It looks to me like the rules would leave them out of the bowls. That stink would be fun to watch.

http://www2.ncaa.org/sports/fall/football/mens/

I found the rules in the 2004 Division 1-A Football Postseason Handbook, listed on the web page above. It's an Abobe PDF, so I can't cut and paste. I typed very carefully.

BOWL-GAME INVITATIONS

A bowl game must serve the purpose of providing a national contest between deserving winning teams. The competing institutions shall be active members of the Association, and a member institution shall not participate in more than one such game during any academic year.

DESERVING WINNING TEAM

A deserving wining team is defined as one that wins a minimum of six games against Division I-A competition and has a record that includes more wins than losses. [Exception: Once every four years, a Division I-A institution may count a victory against a Division I-AA opponent that has averaged 60 financial aid awards equivalencies in football during the three previous academic years.] Only a conference champion may seek a waiver of these requirements.
Division I-A contests played in Hawaii are exempt from NCAA legislation limiting a season to 11 games, but this competition does count in the six-win requirement. An institution that participates in an exempt contest, however, must have more wins than losses against Division I-A opponents to be eligible to participate in a bowl game, even if it meets the six-win requirement.

WAIVER FOR CONFERENCE CHAMPION

The NCAA Management Council may approve a waiver of the six-victory requirement as noted in provisions of Bylaw 30.9.2, in order to enable a conference champion to participate in a bowl game when the conference champion is scheduled contractually to participate in the game.
 
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BuckeyeBill73 said:
I'm waiting for a team to lose a conference championship game to finish 6-6. It looks to me like the rules would leave them out of the bowls. That stink would be fun to watch.
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A similar situation (not the same) happened a few years ago. North Texas was 5-6 or 5-7, and made some lame bowl game. They were champions of whatever conference. Until that year, I didn't know there was exceptions for conference champion. I thought it was simply the 6 wins/winning record rule.
 
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Zurp said:
A similar situation (not the same) happened a few years ago. North Texas was 5-6 or 5-7, and made some lame bowl game. They were champions of whatever conference. Until that year, I didn't know there was exceptions for conference champion. I thought it was simply the 6 wins/winning record rule.
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Yep, North Texas lost the New Orleans Bowl to Colorado St. in 2001 to finish 5-7.
 
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Maybe the number of bowls won't be increasing.

SILICON VALLEY CLASSIC out for 2005 Bowl Season

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/ncaa/04/20/bc.fbc.siliconvalleybow.ap/index.html

SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) -- The Silicon Valley Football Classic won't return next season, ending a five-year run.

NCAA spokesman Kent Barrett confirmed the organization's decision not to renew the bowl's certification. Executives at the Silicon Valley Football Classic were disappointed by the cancellation, though they're exploring reviving the bowl in 2006.

"I don't know what the rationale was," said Dan Fenton, president of the San Jose Convention and Visitors Bureau. "We're very proud of what we've done. For San Jose in particular, the bowl was an important piece of a bigger picture. We're going to explore all of our options, but we don't know what they are yet."

Five members of the Silicon Valley bowl's executive committee, including WAC commissioner Karl Benson and San Jose Sharks owner Greg Jamison, made a presentation to the NCAA on Tuesday. The bowl has generated more than $32 million in economic benefits for San Jose over the past five years, according to officials with the bowl and local government.

In each of its first four seasons, the bowl featured Western Athletic Conference power Fresno State against a high-profile opponent, producing moderate-size crowds and entertaining matchups.

But last season, the bowl matched Northern Illinois and Troy because the WAC and the Pac-10 didn't produce enough bowl-eligible teams to fill their contractual slots. In addition to two unfamiliar opponents and an 8 p.m. local start time, the small crowd was drenched by an uncharacteristic rainstorm.

"We thought there were a lot of great things that happened last year," Fenton said. "We felt strongly about what we presented in terms of our plan. Other than the perfect storm that happened, we felt good about where we were."

The Silicon Valley bowl's executive committee will meet next week to discuss 2006, Fenton said.
 
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