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NightmaresDad
Woody Rules!
Heck, Pitcock is faster than Shazor - heck, I'm faster than Shazor!jwinslow said:
I would love to match up our guys position by position with them athletically - no contest!
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Sloopy45
Pimp Minister Sinister
Tibbs: "Yeah, our QB from Michigan, our WR/CB from Florida, and our best D-lineman from New York certainly didn't know what winning a national title was all about."
I said 'predominantly' in-state Program, not 'total', or 'absolute' in-state.
Don't you know better than to try & stir things up with me yet?
I said 'predominantly' in-state Program, not 'total', or 'absolute' in-state.
Don't you know better than to try & stir things up with me yet?
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GoBucks459
Junior
many good points in this argument, the author of this piece of this bigten coach has his head up his ass...buckeyes right now have more speed than michigan...offensivley as well as defensively
and talent
and a better coach
and a better program
and a better band
and the best damn fans in the land baby
and talent
and a better coach
and a better program
and a better band
and the best damn fans in the land baby
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schwab
Donkey Punch Ann Arbor
To me, scUM recruits nationally because they have to. Not many studs north of Toledo. There are exceptions, but not too many. They can't get enough from Michigan plus Ohio to even field a team, because most Ohio kids have wanted to play for the Buckeyes since they were knee high. Ohio State recruits nationally also, but not to the same extent. We just have our home-state kids nationally recruited. Big difference.
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MrCodeDude
All-American
Michigan doesn't have that great of a talent pool to draw from, so they must recruit from out of state. There was a report a year or two ago, OSU had two players from Michigan, where Michigan had eleven players from Ohio.
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Fungo Squiggly
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As if that were ever in doubt. :)AJHawkfan said:
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rocketman
flying low
I dunno, my impression from the article was that this mystery B10 coach was comparing Michigan and Ohio State from a (albeit flawed) historical perspective, much in the same way that some Texas fans see us as the "aggy" of our conference, nipping at the heels of Michigan (once again, these people have a raging crack addiction).
I could understand if this came from a coach outside of the conference, because he'd be well aware of how the media likes to suck Michigan's dick from time to time. But I'd seriously doubt any B10 coach (save maybe Ron Zook) would make such uh, uneducated assumptions.
I could understand if this came from a coach outside of the conference, because he'd be well aware of how the media likes to suck Michigan's dick from time to time. But I'd seriously doubt any B10 coach (save maybe Ron Zook) would make such uh, uneducated assumptions.
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AkronBuckeye
Banned
Anonymous Coaches view of Mich & tOSU
Per the Dispatch TODAY.....
On Michigan:
"They are a physical team and they are extremely talented, but they don’t show up every week. I think they’re pompous, over-recruited, arrogant-type kids. . . . Which school has better players, Ohio State or Michigan? Michigan. If you lined them up and had them run 40-yard dashes and took them into the weight room and had them benchpress and power clears, yeah, they are better than Ohio State. Markedly better. The Michigan kid has more talent, but the Ohio State kids played harder. And to me, that’s a microcosm of the two programs."
Whew. After that, are you really ready for what Coach Anonymous says about OSU?
OK . . .
"I don’t think this is a top-five team. Why? Because they don’t have a proven tailback. I don’t know why they haven’t had a real good tailback. I thought (Maurice) Clarett was pretty good. I don’t think that much of Antonio Pittman. . . . I don’t think their offensive line is great. When you look at that team, you don’t think they’re going to maul you. . . . Ted Ginn is a great player. They have some explosion guys and he’s the best. . . . They’re not as good as they were in 2002. I don’t think it’s even close."
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It’s dangerous to put stock in preseason publications
Sunday, July 10, 2005
BOB HUNTER
After 10 minutes at the newsstand, it took me almost a week to stop seeing Ted Ginn-shaped spots before my eyes.
There are so many college football preview magazines with so many different shots of Ginn on their covers that it wasn’t long before I was seeing Ginn on the covers of magazines like Outdoor Life and Popular Mechanics, on the street delivering mail and behind the counter at Arby’s.
That’s not the only danger of a newsstand visit, either. A fan who wanders up to a magazine display in search of answers is apt to leave strumming his lips and humming the USC fight song. The inconsistencies of the predictions — other than all those USC No. 1s — would drive any sensible person crazy.
A flip through five or six of these preseason bibles is like a day fortune teller-hopping, sampling one prospective future after another until you find one you like. If you want security, the best thing to do is find one magazine that says what you want, buy it and believe it. Otherwise, you may need to see a shrink.
Magazine season brings a definite good news-bad news scenario for Ohio State fans. The good news is that OSU is going to have a good team; the consensus of the five leading publications is that the Buckeyes will finish tied for seventh nationally. The bad news is that Texas and Michigan, two teams on the OSU schedule, are consistently ranked higher, which means the Buckeyes are looking down the barrel of two losses before they even set foot on the field.
Or maybe that’s the good news. When the Buckeyes won it all in 2002, none of the top magazines picked them higher than No. 7 in preseason, so maybe you really don’t want to be in Southern California’s position, where all five see the Trojans as repeat national champs. Or maybe you do. Last year, USC was the consensus preseason No. 1 and won it all.
The closer you look at this stuff, the more confusing it gets. The Buckeyes are picked as high as No. 3 (The Sporting News) and as low as No. 12 (Street and Smith’s and Athlon). Lindy’s has OSU No. 7 and Phil Steele’s has it No. 9.
But then again, a guy named Chris Stassen keeps score on a Web site (http://preseason.stassen.com/) that lists the magazines’ picks and the final AP Top 25 every year since 1993, and if there’s one thing it tells you, it’s to take to these things with a grain of salt.
When the Buckeyes won that 2002 title, the magazines’ preseason consensus had them 11 th. Last year, the consensus on OSU was No. 9, and they finished 20 th. In 1998, OSU was No. 1 preseason and it finished No. 2.
See what I mean?
Everybody agrees on some things. Indiana is going to finish last in the Big Ten. Cincinnati is going to have a rough time of it in the Big East this year. Marshall is going to have similar troubles now that it has moved from the Mid-American Conference to Conference USA. And Frank Solich is expected to lift Ohio over Buffalo in the MAC, but that’s all for now.
The Sporting News added an element of excitement to the magazine crop by including anonymous comments from another coach in the conference about its top teams, and frankly, that alone is the worth the $6.99 newsstand price.
On Michigan:
"They are a physical team and they are extremely talented, but they don’t show up every week. I think they’re pompous, over-recruited, arrogant-type kids. . . . Which school has better players, Ohio State or Michigan? Michigan. If you lined them up and had them run 40-yard dashes and took them into the weight room and had them benchpress and power clears, yeah, they are better than Ohio State. Markedly better. The Michigan kid has more talent, but the Ohio State kids played harder. And to me, that’s a microcosm of the two programs."
Whew. After that, are you really ready for what Coach Anonymous says about OSU?
OK . . .
"I don’t think this is a top-five team. Why? Because they don’t have a proven tailback. I don’t know why they haven’t had a real good tailback. I thought (Maurice) Clarett was pretty good. I don’t think that much of Antonio Pittman. . . . I don’t think their offensive line is great. When you look at that team, you don’t think they’re going to maul you. . . . Ted Ginn is a great player. They have some explosion guys and he’s the best. . . . They’re not as good as they were in 2002. I don’t think it’s even close."
But does anybody really know? Of course not.
During magazine season, you peer into various futures at your own risk. If you don’t want to risk insanity, it pays to choose carefully.
Bob Hunter is a sports columnist for The Dispatch.
[email protected]
Per the Dispatch TODAY.....
On Michigan:
"They are a physical team and they are extremely talented, but they don’t show up every week. I think they’re pompous, over-recruited, arrogant-type kids. . . . Which school has better players, Ohio State or Michigan? Michigan. If you lined them up and had them run 40-yard dashes and took them into the weight room and had them benchpress and power clears, yeah, they are better than Ohio State. Markedly better. The Michigan kid has more talent, but the Ohio State kids played harder. And to me, that’s a microcosm of the two programs."
Whew. After that, are you really ready for what Coach Anonymous says about OSU?
OK . . .
"I don’t think this is a top-five team. Why? Because they don’t have a proven tailback. I don’t know why they haven’t had a real good tailback. I thought (Maurice) Clarett was pretty good. I don’t think that much of Antonio Pittman. . . . I don’t think their offensive line is great. When you look at that team, you don’t think they’re going to maul you. . . . Ted Ginn is a great player. They have some explosion guys and he’s the best. . . . They’re not as good as they were in 2002. I don’t think it’s even close."
. The Whole Read .
COMMENTARY
It’s dangerous to put stock in preseason publications
Sunday, July 10, 2005
BOB HUNTER
After 10 minutes at the newsstand, it took me almost a week to stop seeing Ted Ginn-shaped spots before my eyes.
There are so many college football preview magazines with so many different shots of Ginn on their covers that it wasn’t long before I was seeing Ginn on the covers of magazines like Outdoor Life and Popular Mechanics, on the street delivering mail and behind the counter at Arby’s.
That’s not the only danger of a newsstand visit, either. A fan who wanders up to a magazine display in search of answers is apt to leave strumming his lips and humming the USC fight song. The inconsistencies of the predictions — other than all those USC No. 1s — would drive any sensible person crazy.
A flip through five or six of these preseason bibles is like a day fortune teller-hopping, sampling one prospective future after another until you find one you like. If you want security, the best thing to do is find one magazine that says what you want, buy it and believe it. Otherwise, you may need to see a shrink.
Magazine season brings a definite good news-bad news scenario for Ohio State fans. The good news is that OSU is going to have a good team; the consensus of the five leading publications is that the Buckeyes will finish tied for seventh nationally. The bad news is that Texas and Michigan, two teams on the OSU schedule, are consistently ranked higher, which means the Buckeyes are looking down the barrel of two losses before they even set foot on the field.
Or maybe that’s the good news. When the Buckeyes won it all in 2002, none of the top magazines picked them higher than No. 7 in preseason, so maybe you really don’t want to be in Southern California’s position, where all five see the Trojans as repeat national champs. Or maybe you do. Last year, USC was the consensus preseason No. 1 and won it all.
The closer you look at this stuff, the more confusing it gets. The Buckeyes are picked as high as No. 3 (The Sporting News) and as low as No. 12 (Street and Smith’s and Athlon). Lindy’s has OSU No. 7 and Phil Steele’s has it No. 9.
But then again, a guy named Chris Stassen keeps score on a Web site (http://preseason.stassen.com/) that lists the magazines’ picks and the final AP Top 25 every year since 1993, and if there’s one thing it tells you, it’s to take to these things with a grain of salt.
When the Buckeyes won that 2002 title, the magazines’ preseason consensus had them 11 th. Last year, the consensus on OSU was No. 9, and they finished 20 th. In 1998, OSU was No. 1 preseason and it finished No. 2.
See what I mean?
Everybody agrees on some things. Indiana is going to finish last in the Big Ten. Cincinnati is going to have a rough time of it in the Big East this year. Marshall is going to have similar troubles now that it has moved from the Mid-American Conference to Conference USA. And Frank Solich is expected to lift Ohio over Buffalo in the MAC, but that’s all for now.
The Sporting News added an element of excitement to the magazine crop by including anonymous comments from another coach in the conference about its top teams, and frankly, that alone is the worth the $6.99 newsstand price.
On Michigan:
"They are a physical team and they are extremely talented, but they don’t show up every week. I think they’re pompous, over-recruited, arrogant-type kids. . . . Which school has better players, Ohio State or Michigan? Michigan. If you lined them up and had them run 40-yard dashes and took them into the weight room and had them benchpress and power clears, yeah, they are better than Ohio State. Markedly better. The Michigan kid has more talent, but the Ohio State kids played harder. And to me, that’s a microcosm of the two programs."
Whew. After that, are you really ready for what Coach Anonymous says about OSU?
OK . . .
"I don’t think this is a top-five team. Why? Because they don’t have a proven tailback. I don’t know why they haven’t had a real good tailback. I thought (Maurice) Clarett was pretty good. I don’t think that much of Antonio Pittman. . . . I don’t think their offensive line is great. When you look at that team, you don’t think they’re going to maul you. . . . Ted Ginn is a great player. They have some explosion guys and he’s the best. . . . They’re not as good as they were in 2002. I don’t think it’s even close."
But does anybody really know? Of course not.
During magazine season, you peer into various futures at your own risk. If you don’t want to risk insanity, it pays to choose carefully.
Bob Hunter is a sports columnist for The Dispatch.
[email protected]
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