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[pnuts34]

I don't know if there's really a direct comparison. The economics of both sports are entirely different not to mention the rules for eligibility surrounding them.

In baseball, if you want you can skip college entirely, get paid and go to short season rookie ball the moment you graduate high school. Football players don't have those options. The risks of injury are significantly higher in football, especially for a lineman as well.

I agree about the washout rate is overall higher in baseball, although I'd be willing to bet it's closer than you'd expect.

I think @Jaxbuck is saying, why is more risk for 1 17 than it is for the Other? At the end of the day MLB will have over a dozen teams draft unproven teenagers who may not even make the professional level sign contracts for 7 figures . In CFB, numerous unproven teenagers who may not make the NFL, will sign a contract making 7 figures. Not really much of a difference. Just like there unproven teenagers overseas who become professionals in soccer or tennis and they sign big deals and may not become successful

 

[Mike80]

I think @Jaxbuck is saying, why is more risk for 1 17 than it is for the Other? At the end of the day MLB will have over a dozen teams draft unproven teenagers who may not even make the professional level sign contracts for 7 figures . In CFB, numerous unproven teenagers who may not make the NFL, will sign a contract making 7 figures. Not really much of a difference. Just like there unproven teenagers overseas who become professionals in soccer or tennis and they sign big deals and may not become successful

See this is the problem I have with the statement. If the baseball kid skips college, he's at the professional levels.

It's just not the same - the structure, the economics, the sports themselves - I'm not sure they're even roughly equitable.

 

[Jaxbuck]

See this is the problem I have with the statement. If the baseball kid skips college, he's at the professional levels.

It's just not the same - the structure, the economics, the sports themselves - I'm not sure they're even roughly equitable.

Every sport gives large sums of money to precocious teenagers who have never proven they can produce at the pinnacle of the pro sports level.

Football is no where as different as we are traying to make it out to be.

 

[Mike80]

Every sport gives large sums of money to precocious teenagers who have never proven they can produce at the pinnacle of the pro sports level.

Football is no where as different as we are traying to make it out to be.

Maybe I'm going deeper...but I guess I view them as two entirely different things at this point.

I don't think either one is really sustainable, especially since the MLB draft sometimes doesn't draft those 17 year olds whereas the 17 year old high school football kids will still get the bag every time if he's ranked highly enough.

I don't think it's a direct 1 to 1 comparison.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Maybe I'm going deeper...but I guess I view them as two entirely different things at this point.

I don't think either one is really sustainable, especially since the MLB draft sometimes doesn't draft those 17 year olds whereas the 17 year old high school football kids will still get the bag every time if he's ranked highly enough.

I don't think it's a direct 1 to 1 comparison.

The structure they are going into is technically different but the principle isn't, (imo). A lot of teenagers are about to make a lot of money in the MLB draft. No one is wringing their hands about how much because it's something we are used to.

Teenage football players are essentially going pro for a big signing bonus as well. It's just a different structure waiting on them because the NCAA and NFL have gotten away with making college football a free minor league system for decades.

The field is already taking shape for making the various strata of CFB into a feeder system.

Teenage SS is #1 by the Nats this Sunday, he's slotted for something like $11MM. He will be off to short season pro ball shortly after. Might see the majors in 3-4 years if he makes it.

5 star OT gets a couple million, reports to CFB team this fall, likely won't even be a starter for 1-2 years might see the NFL in 3-4 years if he makes it.

Both are professional players straight out of HS. I don't see a big difference.

 

[Mike80]

The structure they are going into is technically different but the principle isn't, (imo). A lot of teenagers are about to make a lot of money in the MLB draft. No one is wringing their hands about how much because it's something we are used to.

Teenage football players are essentially going pro for a big signing bonus as well. It's just a different structure waiting on them because the NCAA and NFL have gotten away with making college football a free minor league system for decades.

The field is already taking shape for making the various strata of CFB into a feeder system.

Teenage SS is #1 by the Nats this Sunday, he's slotted for something like $11MM. He will be off to short season pro ball shortly after. Might see the majors in 3-4 years if he makes it.

5 star OT gets a couple million, reports to CFB team this fall, likely won't even be a starter for 1-2 years might see the NFL in 3-4 years if he makes it.

Both are professional players straight out of HS. I don't see a big difference.

I haven't and probably won't make the leap to consider college players getting NIL deals to be the same as professional athletes. That's probably the biggest difference here. Let me know when they aren't required to go to even a throwaway class or maintain a GPA of any type and then we'll discuss.

Also can we quit pretending like college football HASN'T been a feeder system for the NFL for 50 friggin years already? It's disingenuous. For the record, the NCAA completely missed the ball by not saying they are part of a work study program in my IMO. I'm totally on board for athletes to get paid.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I haven't and probably won't make the leap to consider college players getting NIL deals to be the same as professional athletes. That's probably the biggest difference here. Let me know when they aren't required to go to even a throwaway class or maintain a GPA of any type and then we'll discuss.

They get paid by the schools as part of a rev share deal and they get to make money off of their own personal NIL. The market size for NIL is estimated at close to $3 Billion, They feed into an industry that ESPN just paid 7.8 Billion for the tv rights to. Gambling on college football is in the Billions annually as well.

They are the talent in a multi billion dollar entertainment industry. If you don't want to come to grips with them being professionals as such then that's up to you but they are pro's the day they start getting paid in my book.

The legacy nonsense about going to school means nothing and is going to be gone very soon. It's the residue of an old system that's dead but no one has gotten around to burying the body yet.

No one is going to let a college class get in the way of all that money.

 

[RhodeIslandBuck]

They get paid by the schools as part of a rev share deal and they get to make money off of their own personal NIL. The market size for NIL is estimated at close to $3 Billion, They feed into an industry that ESPN just paid 7.8 Billion for the tv rights to. Gambling on college football is in the Billions annually as well.

They are the talent in a multi billion dollar entertainment industry. If you don't want to come to grips with them being professionals as such then that's up to you but they are pro's the day they start getting paid in my book.

The legacy nonsense about going to school means nothing and is going to be gone very soon. It's the residue of an old system that's dead but no one has gotten around to burying the body yet.

No one is going to let a college class get in the way of all that money.

Kind of unrelated but I view football as "class" for these guys. Most (if not all) of the players on OSUs roster are aiming for the league, football is professional development, the same as a history or science course, at least for these guys.

Also when's the last time someone couldn't play because they were academically ineligible? I think the link between the schools and the "football people" have already been getting severed for years, the schools would be best off just licensing out their shit or simply acknowledging that, in a somewhat abstract way, football is apart of the academic mission of the school.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Kind of unrelated but I view football as "class" for these guys. Most (if not all) of the players on OSUs roster are aiming for the league, football is professional development, the same as a history or science course, at least for these guys.

Also when's the last time someone couldn't play because they were academically ineligible? I think the link between the schools and the "football people" have already been getting severed for years, the schools would be best off just licensing out their shit or simply acknowledging that, in a somewhat abstract way, football is apart of the academic mission of the school.

We both agree that the continued charade of student athlete hurts both organizations. The Academics look like frauds because they are rubber stamping players and it's a pointless distraction for professional athletes to have to "play school" instead of train and develop their skills.

Most won't make it to the NFL so have a G.I. Bill-like way for them to get their degrees later in life and give them lifetime health care like soldiers get from the VA (only to your University medical facilities) That could actually be a big differentiator for a place like OSU.

 

[pnuts34]

Burning Questions: What’s up with Ohio State’s defensive line recruiting?

Is the Buckeyes’ NIL philosophy getting in the way of landing big-time recruits, or has Larry Johnson lost a step?

www.landgrantholyland.com

While not a defensive lineman, on Friday, five-star offensive tackle Felix Ojo (No. 7 nationally) committed to Texas Tech 24, just hours after confirming that his top four were Florida, Texas, Michigan, and Ohio State. So, what changed?

Who knows? But, his agent did say after his client’s commitment that the Red Raiders offered Ojo a fully guaranteed, three-year, $5.1 million deal. So maybe that had something to do with it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

I don’t know how those kinds of contracts work with college students, who, presumably, can transfer whenever they want, but that’s clearly not something Ohio State fans (and bloggers) have to worry about, because the Buckeyes seem to have no interest in going anywhere near those types of deals.

Just sayin': Apparently the sad state of college football recruiting is now you don't really have spend months actually recruiting some recruits anymore. Just call his agent the night before his commitment date and offer $5.1M over 3 years guaranteed....

Fwiw, the agent thing isnt new. Half of the women’s Bball team has agents, and I personally know that several of them are earning at least $250k for their deals, AT LEAST yearly. And it’s only been going up. Collegiate coaches now have to operate like professional level coaches. And I think relationships will still matter greatly in CFB, but yea, certain kids will choose the highest bid(and who could blame them). But if the highest bidder is all it takes than OSU wouldve never won the NC this last year. Because lord knows Jeremiah, Caleb, Quinshon, to name a few wouldn’t be Buckeyes if that were the case