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ACC vs Pac10 Talent

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NC State was 6-5 in the regular season with their three first round picks. 7-5 two years earlier, when they also had Rivers under center.

FSU was 8-4, losing 3 straight (including 2 horrible opponents) heading into the CCG. They added a FIFTH loss. They went on to have 8 players drafted, including 4 first rounders.

Draft picks mask their ineptitude as a conference.

I think the ACC talent for the '09 draft is spread all over the place.
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Which is pretty rare.
73 percent have been defenders and offensive linemen.
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jwinslow;1245636; said:
Does it really? NC State has had 4 first rounders, and 3 top-10 picks. Yet they were very mediocre during their tenure.

Here's another statistic which pokes a hole in this juggernaut of talent you're trying to sellOr the fact that the ACC is 1-9 in BCS games.


Miami and FSU have plenty of talent. That doesn't make them good teams. NFL teams have drafted FSU rbs in spite of their lackluster performance in college.
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You miss the boat entirely. Where did team play come into this arguement?
I have strictly been talking about overall talent. I never said anything about team play.
Besides, team records can be decieving when it comes to how much talent is on a certain team. Look at some of coach Coops teams....Wow...he produced a lot of fine NFL players and they were awful in bowl games.
This whole conversation with me has been about overall talent.
All I ever said is that there is more overall NFL talent in the ACC in the past four years.
You are way too anxious son. I can't help but laugh over your attemp to prove me wrong with these single teams stats.
Don't assume and don't jump to conclusions. I said don't underetimate the ACC because there is a lot of talent in that conference. Never said they were better than the PAC 10 or BIG 10. Just gave you stats concerning how much NFL talent they are producing.
 
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ashlandbuck;1245649; said:
You miss the boat entirely. Where did team play come into this arguement?
I have strictly been talking about overall talent. I never said anything about team play.
All I ever said is that there is more overall NFL talent in the ACC in the past four years.
You are way too anxious son. I can't help but laugh over your attemp to prove me wrong with these single teams stats.
Don't assume and don't jump to conclusions. I said don't underetimate the ACC because there is a lot of talent in that conference. Never said they were better than the PAC 10 or BIG 10. Just gave you stats concerning how much NFL talent they are producing.
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methomps;1245076; said:
You obviously didn't watch a single ACC game this weekend. And the Big10 sans Ohio State would be pretty crappy, too.
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ashlandbuck;1245506; said:
In the last four years the ACC has produced more players drafted in rounds 1 thru 4 than any other conference. 89 players. Much like the Big Ten it is not given it's due.
During that same time period ('05 thru '08) the SEC had the second most players drafted in rounds 1 thru 4. 86 players taken in the first four rounds.
Followed by the Big 10 with 79 players drafted in those first four rounds.

The Pac 10 had fewer than even the Big 12 with only 60. The poster that you were replying to was actually right on.
This years draft numbers wont be much different.
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:roll1: No one else was talking about draft talent, so I assume you just like throw these facts at people?
 
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bigballin2987;1245653; said:
:roll1: No one else was talking about draft talent, so I assume you just like throw these facts at people?
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Huh?

Thomps said the ACC was crappy and all I did was throw some numbers out that showed that the last four years and in '09 the ACC has a lot of talent.
Geez...I think the NFL is a good way to guage whether or not a conference has a lot of talent.
This talk about one conference being better than another gets old. I just used a method to show that there is a lot of talent in conferences that the media likes to downgrade as being subpar.
As Buckeye fans and part of the Big Ten I think most of us can appreciate that.
 
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Thomps said the ACC was crappy
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which obviously means the teams that make it up, unless you can point out where they hand out wins for having the most talent.

Miami & FSU produce a ton of talent, and have very little to show for it. I just demonstrated just how "crappy" FSU was in 05, and yet they were the flagship team for their conference. No amount of draft picks (of which they had tons) changes how "crappy" they were.

You keep trying to isolate this discussion to individual talent as a metric to evaluate whether the conference is crappy or not, but the fact remains they have been "crappy" for awhile on the field. That status doesn't change, even with lots of draft picks. It just makes their ineptitude even more inexcusable (ie Larry Coker).
 
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Michigan 07 had all kinds of talent.... yet they got beat by many teams with a lot less talent. They lost way too much, thus they were "crappy", regardless of how well their players did after turning in their b10 and UM gear for NFL paychecks.
 
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ashlandbuck;1245662; said:
Huh?

Thomps said the ACC was crappy and all I did was throw some numbers out that showed that the last four years and in '09 the ACC has a lot of talent.
Geez...I think the NFL is a good way to guage whether or not a conference has a lot of talent.
This talk about one conference being better than another gets old. I just used a method to show that there is a lot of talent in conferences that the media likes to downgrade as being subpar.
As Buckeye fans and part of the Big Ten I think most of us can appreciate that.
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No one is debating your facts that you so proudly tout. Your original post was in response that the ACC is crappy. No one said their talent was crappy. All jwins was saying was that this does not result in wins as pointed out by his facts.
 
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Wake Forest 41 Baylor 13
Georgia Tech 41 Jacksonville St 14
Miami 52 Charleston Southern 7
South Carolina 34 NC State 0
ECU 27 VaTech 22
USC 52 Virginia 7
Maryland 14 Delaware 7
North Carolina 35 McNeese St 27
Duke 31 James Madison 7
Boston College 21 Kent State 0
Alabama 34 Clemson 10

7 wins: 5 over D1-AA teams (2 of them uncomfortably close), Baylor, and Kent State.
 
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ashlandbuck;1245611; said:
The ACC isn't a team. It's an entire conference with an overall greater amount of talent than the PAC 10.
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As JWINS has hinted, for the purposes of just talent, which is what you want to limit this discussion to; you are right in saying the ACC isn't a team. It's two teams. For the purposes of Talent Only, it is FSU and The U. Those two contribute the overwhelming majority of the picks to the NFL.

The SEC produces NFL picks spread out over 6 teams, with the other 6 contributing here and there.

The ACC produces NFL picks from 2 teams, with the other 10 contributing here and there.

The Pac-10 and the Big-10 produce NFL picks from 1 team, with the other 9/10 contributing here and there.

Ohio State produces as many as anyone. After this year, they will have produced the most this decade. But that doesn't help the rest of the Big-10, who collectively haven't produced much at all during that time.

The ACC has the same problem, only worse because the teams producing the talent are helping to embarrass the conference on the field.


DISCLAIMER: The above contains some generalizations. If that bothers you... uh... whatever.
 
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The sheer draftable talent in that league and the failure to produce results at the colege level are the very reason the ACC is probably the worst BCS conference. They have huge recruiting resources, name universities and coaches yet consistently fail to produce on the field. Wake Forest is probably the best "team" in the ACC this year. WAKE FOREST!!!
 
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Does anyone else agree with me that the ACC is a crappy league full of crappy teams and half empty stadiums? .... hell, UVa didn't even field a marching band until last year and Va tech -- you can call 'em hokies if you want, but we all know they're really gobblers. Besides most of 'em get up and change conferences every two three years or so dependin' 'pon where they think they can get into some bowl.
 
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Maryland 35, California 27

This is the same Maryland who lost to Middle Tennessee. It's also the same Cal who beat Sparty.

Guess that's why they play the games. :)
 
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