A.P. pulls out of BCS next year

[edbuck51]

The media sounds almost as upset about this as when they couldn't get Kerry elected. Maybe one day they will realize their role is to report the news, not be the news. Screw 'em.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Given what the crooked ass coaches in the B12 did to Cal this year, I don't really care how the current system gets blown up, just that it does. The two different polls are equally inane.

The media has their darling teams (USC, Miami, OU) and the coaches will team up and screw a team for money so I don't seee how one is any more valid than the other.

I am so sick of hearing about the BCS and all that I have become a playoff proponent. If Auburn wins their Bowl game they have just as much right to be NC's as USC did last year but I don't hear the bitch made punk media crying about it now like they did last year.

 

[GoofyBuckeye]

I've never been able to figure out, for the life of me, why a 16 team playoff where 8 conference champs get auto-bids and 8 at large teams as selected by a committee of the NCAA cannot work in D1-A like it does in D1-AA.

Shit, it works in basketball and they have 65 teams involved...Have ALL conference champs get an autobid and then have 5 at large teams selected by the NCAA. They can use an RPI type ranking along with the 2 polls to determine who deserves the at large bids the most. Have the committee determine the seeds. What's the problem here?

After looking at the standings...a playoff using the D1-AA system would involve:

USC
Oklahoma
Michigan
Virginia Tech
Auburn
Pitt
Utah
Louisville
Boise State
Toledo
North Texas

then your at-large would probably be:

Cal
Texas
Georgia
Iowa
Miami


I think you could seed it out like this..

1. at USC
16. North Texas
vs.
8. at Virginia Tech
9. Michigan

5. at Texas
12. Louisville
vs.
4. at Cal
13. Boise State

2. at Oklahoma
15. Toledo
vs.
7. at Utah
10. Miami

6. at Georgia
11. Iowa
vs.
3. at Auburn
14. Pitt


the quarterfinal matchups alone would be huge. Play them at designated sites at that point. You can't tell me with all these college fans out there you couldn't fill some seats with an Auburn vs. Georgia at the Georgia Dome or a Texas vs. Cal matchup at the Cotton Bowl. How about a semifinal matchup of Oklahoma vs. Auburn at the Sugar Bowl? or USC vs. Texas game at the Rose Bowl? Even if say, USC played Virginia Tech in the quarters at the Gator Bowl, you'd still sell out...it's the playoffs! Could you imagine how many Ute fans would drive to the Fiesta to see them take on Oklahoma? Or how many Cardinal fans would go to Orlando to see them take on Cal if they beat Texas? Non fans of the schools would show up to watch the games..shit, I know I'd go to Nashville (just picking a site) to watch Texas play Cal in the quarterfinals if the ticket prices were reasonable.

Just a thought

 

[longtoothbuck]

The "poll" system certainly needs renovation. I don't think the coaches take more than about 2 seconds to figure out how they will "rack and stack". During the season, they simply don't watch games. They are playing on Saturdays when everyone else is playing and they are getting their teams ready on Sundays for the next game.

There needs to be a group of pollsters that is regionally balanced. I don't know who those pollsters should be, but perhaps even former pro players who have retired. Heck, maybe it even consists of 117 members, one representing each D1 team.

I think a lot of the AP guys have an agenda, either for certain conferences, for certain teams and against certain teams and conferences. The AP is not the solution nor is the Coaches Poll.

 

[Jaxbuck]

If your going to do a 16 team tourney, have a selection committe just like BBall does. Screw the polls alltogether.

Of course later in this same dream I'm hung like John Holmes, look like Brad Pitt and have Bill Gates's money but thats neither here nor there.

 

[JWil]

"Are journalists the dumbest... or the whiniest profession in the country?"

I think the AP is doing this for one reason: KILLING THE BCS.

I'm sure about 80 percent of journalists out there want a playoff of some sort. And I think that, with this move, it's only accelerated things.

Also, how about this scenario?

The BCS bowls -- except the Rose -- were all snatched up by Fox. They already have the Cotton Bowl.

My theory is this... what if Fox is behind the push for a playoff when they have the Fiesta, Cotton, Sugar and Orange bowls?

Why do I add the Cotton into this? Because the Dallas Cowboys are on the verge of building a 90,000-seat, retractable-roof stadium that would be a great site for future Cotton Bowl Classics. Also, it would remove the biggest reason the Cotton wasn't in the BCS mix the first time -- the old Cotton Bowl stadium itself.

I went to the Cotton last year on a press pass and lemme tell you, they do things first-rate there. They'd be a great fit.

Anyway, back to my theory... what if Fox tells college football: "We have four of the five major bowls. We want our four bowls to feed into an 8-team playoff, with the bowls being the launching pad for it in the form for 'National Quarterfinals.'"

This would solve it all: The Rose could have their little Big 10/Pac 10 love-in with whatever teams weren't in the BCS playoff, and the Cotton could replace the Rose, putting it where it deserves to be -- up with the big bowls of importance.

I really think having Fox in the mix will lead to a playoff by 2010. They're always wanting to be cutting-edge and first to do things, right?

Anyway, I wrote up my own 8-team playoff on O-State.com. Check it out! http://www.o-state.com/football/2004/12/06/bcs-its-better-but-still-broken

 

[jimotis4heisman]

i also look for fox to become more prominent in their daily sports coverage, if fox has a box of rocks for brains theyd put together and old-school sportscenter style program. scores, highlights, facts. in a half hour, maybe an hour on busy days. or better yet 40 minute national program with 20 minutes of specialized regional time, from a region or a current fsn channel. (so wed get 40 mins of national sports then 20 mins of fsn ohio news.) throw in commercials its about 30 mins of national and 15 of local/regionsal sure produciton mightbe shitty, id still watch some crappy background with not bs than some fancy light changing background backed with bias and bs.

 

[Doafhat]

i also look for fox to become more prominent in their daily sports coverage, if fox has a box of rocks for brains theyd put together and old-school sportscenter style program. scores, highlights, facts. in a half hour, maybe an hour on busy days. or better yet 40 minute national program with 20 minutes of specialized regional time, from a region or a current fsn channel. (so wed get 40 mins of national sports then 20 mins of fsn ohio news.) throw in commercials its about 30 mins of national and 15 of local/regionsal sure produciton mightbe shitty, id still watch some crappy background with not bs than some fancy light changing background backed with bias and bs.

I agree with you completely, and I think Fox is getting ready for a big push to challenge ABC/ESPN. Fox gobbling up the rights for the BCS and Cotton Bowl is, in my opinion, the groundwork for "Big Fox" (the big broadcast network, not the local FSN's) to begin airing weekly college football games with higher production values than the current FSN broadcasts. While ESPN can continue being the "Eastern Seaboard Propoganda Network," Fox could really take control over the rest of the country by taking the rights to the Big XII & Pac 10.

 

[Piney]

I do find this hilarious, because it has officially went full circle. Originally when the BCS was created their original idea was to combine the 2 polls and do it that way. But the AP poll told the BCS that they would not make the news and the importance of the polls got softened with the computer polls and stength of schedule.

Then, last year mainly the AP voters themselves cried and whined about how their vote in the BCS meant nothing and how could their #1 team be denied a chance at the championship. So the BCS said "fine" and went back to the original model they wanted. Something heavily favoring the 2 main polls.

A funny thing happened, the AP voters started coming under firing for changing votes. Luckily they got saved by the coaches poll being worse. But still, this led to the change. My weird sense of humor finds this self-fulfilling prophecy hilarious.

But this will lead to the greater good though. The BCS needs to create a panel of college football experts (people who watch 99% of all meaningful college games) and at least if you refuse to create a playoff, get people who know what they are doing and sole purpose is to pick teams for the championship.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

I do find this hilarious, because it has officially went full circle. Originally when the BCS was created their original idea was to combine the 2 polls and do it that way. But the AP poll told the BCS that they would not make the news and the importance of the polls got softened with the computer polls and stength of schedule.

Then, last year mainly the AP voters themselves cried and whined about how their vote in the BCS meant nothing and how could their #1 team be denied a chance at the championship. So the BCS said "fine" and went back to the original model they wanted. Something heavily favoring the 2 main polls.

A funny thing happened, the AP voters started coming under firing for changing votes. Luckily they got saved by the coaches poll being worse. But still, this led to the change. My weird sense of humor finds this self-fulfilling prophecy hilarious.

But this will lead to the greater good though. The BCS needs to create a panel of college football experts (people who watch 99% of all meaningful college games) and at least if you refuse to create a playoff, get people who know what they are doing and sole purpose is to pick teams for the championship.

where do i sign up for a job like that?

 

[tsteele316]

just so you know, most coaches has assistants that are in charge of handling their vote for the coaches poll, so that's not necessarily a new thing.

texas bumped Cal because they got enough sympathy votes for being snubbed last year, and they only lost to OU, which is a big media circle-jerk team at the moment since they have been predicted to win every NC since 2000.

D1 will probably never have a playoff. I'm really not a fan of the +1 scenario either. Should a 14-0 osu team being the only other undefeated team have to play again? nope. A +1 works in certain situations, but not all.

I don't mind the idea of a panel committee to pick the NC participants, if you can find the right people to do so.

 

[BuckeyeBlitz04]

I agree as well....

I agree with you completely, and I think Fox is getting ready for a big push to challenge ABC/ESPN. Fox gobbling up the rights for the BCS and Cotton Bowl is, in my opinion, the groundwork for "Big Fox" (the big broadcast network, not the local FSN's) to begin airing weekly college football games with higher production values than the current FSN broadcasts. While ESPN can continue being the "Eastern Seaboard Propoganda Network," Fox could really take control over the rest of the country by taking the rights to the Big XII & Pac 10.

I really like to watch the fox games on sunday. They have the best broadcasters. The quality is so much better than cbs will ever be. I can't stand to watch cbs cause its so generic and their broadcaster blow. My favorites to watch are fox, abc/espn, then if nothing else is on then i swith over to cbs but very rarly. I think it will be awesome to see fox do college football games. You got my vote!

 

[Jaxbuck]

texas bumped Cal because they got enough sympathy votes for being snubbed last year, and they only lost to OU, which is a big media circle-jerk team at the moment since they have been predicted to win every NC since 2000.

No, the B12 coaches voted as a block and had Cal dropped to 7th or 8th to get Texas in. It was worth over a million dollars a school to them and the votes are not public, how can you possibly expect them to do anything but cheat Cal in that situation?

 

[martinss01]

D1 will probably never have a playoff. I'm really not a fan of the +1 scenario either. Should a 14-0 osu team being the only other undefeated team have to play again? nope. A +1 works in certain situations, but not all.

other than a playoff nothing really works. in fact, even a playoff would be a tough sell. so we take teams 1 - 16 for the playoffs. and what if #17 has a better record than #14? what if #20 lost one more game than #15 but beat #15? no matter what happens there will ALWAYS be legitament controversy over college football. why? because unlike basketball you cant' seed 64 fricken teams in a playoff! not even the nfl system works because of all the different conferences and the number of teams. far to many deserving teams would get left out and you would still end up with a longer college season than an nfl one.

as hated as it is, the only logical solution is the bcs or a system like it. i dislike the current formula mind you. i think it most certainly needs to be changed. the coaches poll is also needed. let the coaches set the strength of a team and let the computer decide who should play who based on performance. its not perfect. but atleast it allows for a measurable ryhm and reason for who went where. and the only thing a team has to complain about when they don't go to the bowl game they wanted is that they lost to many games or didn't play strong enough teams. it removes almost all the favoritism and sets a stage where a team makes their own destiney.

 

[tsteele316]

No, the B12 coaches voted as a block and had Cal dropped to 7th or 8th to get Texas in. It was worth over a million dollars a school to them and the votes are not public, how can you possibly expect them to do anything but cheat Cal in that situation?

and what makes you think the pac 10 didnt do the same thing?