A-11 Offense

[BuckTwenty]

Gotta love the brand new gimmick offense, I guess. Once someone learns how to shut the offense down on the high school level, I bet you don't hear anymore from those coaches who concocted the offense. I see a LOT of things that could go wrong in that offense. Its setting you up for a ton of throwing into coverage, dropped laterals to teammates, way too much of mad scrambling WAY behind the line of scrimmage for the QBs, no real running game except for QB sneaks, and judging from the highlights there, those WRs take some beatings from those defenders running downhill to make the open field hits... I mean, what happens if one or both of your starting QBs goes down with an injury? You're team is screwed due to the complexity of the offense the time it takes to effectively learn that offense. That said though, I could see Texas Tech stroking their collective beard watching that highlight real thinking "We could run that offense..."

I wonder what Woody would say about that offense. "(censored)ing pansies."

 

[Bleed S & G]

Once someone learns how to shut the offense down on the high school level, I bet you don't hear anymore from those coaches who concocted the offense.

It's been figured out on the HS level since they went 7-4 and we're knocked out of the playoffs in the first round

 

[methomps]

Not necessarily as this school has a lower enrollment than the schools it competes against and supposedly created this system to try to address that disparity.

 

[GoodLifeSean]

Not necessarily as this school has a lower enrollment than the schools it competes against and supposedly created this system to try to address that disparity.

And three of the losses seem to be early on from what I read... while the players were still figuring stuff out.
Yes it is gimmicky, but there are some really poor football schools where a gimmick like this might help them eek out a win or two. Trust me, I played for a one and nine team my freshman year of HS, and much like many 1 and 9 teams a little gimmick could have got a touchdown and helped win a couple.

That being said do I think it has a future. Not in the NFL as there is too much speed for 3 linemen to hold off rushers. College it could work occassionally with a freakishly fast QB... But dear god do I want to see this in college, I dunno, but it's not something I would be comfortable running if I was a coach. Seems really difficult to learn for something that is only proven effective in a couple places.

 

[Brutus1]

The WRs give away the play in any offense.. as do the lineman (in HS ball more-so)

Actually, in this offense, the ineligibles can never go downfield on a passing play (except after a completed pass). If they go downfield, it's always going to be a running play.

These guys can delay going downfield for blocks on a delayed run - or every play could be an option-pass for the QB to decide to pass or run..

Sure they can, but my defense will see them going downfield and automatically know it's a run.

If you leave them uncovered - I believe they can catch a pass thats backwards and behind the line of scrimmage - like advancing a fumbled ball.

A forward pass is one which it's initial direction is toward the opponents goal line. An ineligible can not touch a forward pass even if it's behind the los or it's a 5 yard penalty from the infraction and a loss of down. There is no such term as a backwards pass so if it's thrown behind the qb to the ineligible, then that's legal, but you have to remember, the qb must be lined up at least 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage in order for the A-11 to be legal. If the ineligible wants to ruyn 7 yards backwards to catch a toss from the qb, then I'll take my chances with that play.

Thats 13 players on the field..

Since there can only be 2 eligible wr on the line, i'm only doubling those 2. Thats 4 players, add 3 guarding the interior line and the other 4 in the positions I talked about earlier.

14 players..


15 & 16.. unless I misunderstood "doubling each (5) WR"

This offense is better suited for spreading a D thin and using a running (2 of them) QB then it is for an "air it out" offense


With a little practice, it could be neutralized, especially if you have multile game tapes to study.

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Either way, I don't expect it to last. The NFHS will put language in place to change the scrimmage kick formation rule.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Either way, I don't expect it to last. The NFHS will put language in place to change the scrimmage kick formation rule.

Or they will limit the number of 50-79 numbered players that can report as eligible, or...


The moral of the story is, they would not allow the officials to be subjected to this officiating nightmare for more than one season.

 

[Brutus1]

The moral of the story is, they would not allow the officials to be subjected to this officiating nightmare for more than one season.

For sure. If I'm on the wing trying to determine eligibles, then trying to 15 seconds later to remember which ones were eligbe after motion, I may throw the flag just to give myself some time! Or, nothing stops a crazy play like the good ole' inadvertant whistle!!

 

[stxbuck]

Not necessarily as this school has a lower enrollment than the schools it competes against and supposedly created this system to try to address that disparity.

Oaks Christian's enrollment is pretty small.......

 

[Bleed S & G]

Actually, in this offense, the ineligibles can never go downfield on a passing play (except after a completed pass). If they go downfield, it's always going to be a running play.

Sure they can, but my defense will see them going downfield and automatically know it's a run.

Right.. understood. EVERY OFFENSE is this way is what I'm trying to say..

Now heres where the A-11 can be effective.. 'your' defense is downfield 20 yards and 'my' mobile QB takes off and picks up 8 yards. The inelgible recievers that are hanging out on the LOS can set up a 'screen' or pick up the defenders that were downfield covering recievers.

A forward pass is one which it's initial direction is toward the opponents goal line. An ineligible can not touch a forward pass even if it's behind the los or it's a 5 yard penalty from the infraction and a loss of down.

I understand thats why I said "I believe they can catch a pass thats backwards and behind the line of scrimmage"

There is no such term as a backwards pass so if it's thrown behind the qb to the ineligible, then that's legal, but you have to remember, the qb must be lined up at least 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage in order for the A-11 to be legal. If the ineligible wants to ruyn 7 yards backwards to catch a toss from the qb, then I'll take my chances with that play.

And the guy catching such a pitch can pass it forward or tuck it and run.. there's all kinds of possiblities..

The offense is crap to me. I agree with you.

However, I think it could be a great play to pull out in a NC game or against scUM with a minute or two remaing..

 

[Brutus1]

Right.. understood. EVERY OFFENSE is this way is what I'm trying to say..

Now heres where the A-11 can be effective.. 'your' defense is downfield 20 yards and 'my' mobile QB takes off and picks up 8 yards. The inelgible recievers that are hanging out on the LOS can set up a 'screen' or pick up the defenders that were downfield covering recievers.


I understand thats why I said "I believe they can catch a pass thats backwards and behind the line of scrimmage"


And the guy catching such a pitch can pass it forward or tuck it and run.. there's all kinds of possiblities..

The offense is crap to me. I agree with you.

However, I think it could be a great play to pull out in a NC game or against scUM with a minute or two remaing..

It would be fun to try to defend.

As an official, it would suck trying to officiate that offense.

That offense is now illegal in the NCAA. JT will have to come up with something different to spring on scUM.

 

[Flocka]

Kurt Bryan, the football coach at Piedmont (Calif.) High School, has heard the wail of protests against his A-11 offense. Deceiving, skirting the rules, unsportsmanlike. It has been labeled gimmicky and it has its enemies.

That's why he can only imagine that the worst is in store for his and Steve Humphries' offense in the next week.

The A-11 offense, a super-sized spread with eligible receivers popping up all over the field, has been banned by some high school state associations. Bryan is worried the National Federation of State High School Associations is going to adopt rule changes for 2009 that will ruin the scheme in the states where it is used.

Rivals High - A-11 offense now has to play defense

 

[Zurp]

Rivals High - A-11 offense now has to play defense

It's a shame that these other schools need to resort to being crybabies to beat this offense. Why don't the opposing coaches counter his creativity with their own creativity?

The only issue that I can see with this offense is that referees may be confused as to who the eligible receivers are. It's easy to tell from the video, but the referees on the field may not have it so easy.

 

[osugrad21]

The only issue that I can see with this offense is that referees may be confused as to who the eligible receivers are. It's easy to tell from the video, but the referees on the field may not have it so easy.

...and once that play is over, it cannot be reviewed. We lost a game a few years ago to a team using Pods/muddle huddle/polecat as their hurry up. Numerous times they did not have 7 on the line or threw the ball to a covered WR downfield...the entire point was to confuse the defense and the refs.

It worked.

 

[mercer_buckeye]

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[jimotis4heisman]

...and once that play is over, it cannot be reviewed. We lost a game a few years ago to a team using Pods/muddle huddle/polecat as their hurry up. Numerous times they did not have 7 on the line or threw the ball to a covered WR downfield...the entire point was to confuse the defense and the refs.

It worked.

shame on the officials... but hey thats part of the game.

whats next outlawing the hurry up? wouldnt want to put pressure on the coaches, players or officials would we?