buckeyeboy
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Can someone post how many rebounds and blocks Oden has? Thanks.
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Oden almost ripped the basket out of the floor with a thunder dunk (i think his 16th pt)...and gets a block at the other end (i think his 1st)
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Oden is 8 for 8, 16 points & 6 boards (with at least 2 blocks)
Hunter is 5 for 7 with 17 pts. & 11 boards
Conley has 10 pts., 5 boards & 4 assists
Harris has 5 pts., but with 9 boards & 2 assists
...2-1/2 minutes to go
bucks really pulling away 72 - 51
Hunter is 5 for 7 with 17 pts. & 11 boards
Conley has 10 pts., 5 boards & 4 assists
Harris has 5 pts., but with 9 boards & 2 assists
...2-1/2 minutes to go
bucks really pulling away 72 - 51
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It looks like we went to the inside game a lot more either because of poor outside work or Matta wanted to work Oden and he came thru. A good win either way.
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We were only 7 of 19 from the three & 13 of 23 from the free throw line but we out rebounded them 44 - 17 
& got a 21 pt win.
We need to do better than this game on the turnovers.
But Oden looks great again.
& got a 21 pt win.We need to do better than this game on the turnovers.
But Oden looks great again.
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crazybuckfan40
Head Coach
Another solid win against a pretty good mid-major...
After two games I would say that he is the best big man in college bball right now. There are a couple guys that could be in the conversation, but I think Hansbrough is more of a 4 type player and I have him a little ahead of Noah.
It is always nice to have some of your high scores struggle and your role players step up with big games, and still win by 20+ pts.
It was nice to see Butler try and get more involved today, but he still needs to shoot the ball a little more.
After two games I would say that he is the best big man in college bball right now. There are a couple guys that could be in the conversation, but I think Hansbrough is more of a 4 type player and I have him a little ahead of Noah.
It is always nice to have some of your high scores struggle and your role players step up with big games, and still win by 20+ pts.
It was nice to see Butler try and get more involved today, but he still needs to shoot the ball a little more.
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jimotis4heisman
Banned
a few quick thoughts before i head off to bed.
#3. i suppose i could call him ivan harris, but no one would recognize his game by that name. ivan shot poorly from the field, was worse from behind the line. though he had another great game. 10 boards, boxing out, played some very solid defense. a side note, i knew he threw nice entry passes, but no questions best entry passer at this point on the team. more on ivan in a bit
oden, i said it last game. enjoy every minute of it. i mean that. someone like this doesnt come along every 8 or 9 years as some have said, he might be the 20 to 30 type of center. meaning you see a guy like this once in your generation, think george m, kareem, wilt, bill r, shaq... i mean it. the thing that impresses me the most about greg, his strength. for a kid who had a bad wrist, im just amazed in the power of his body. in all honesty you can go on for days, but anyone who knows anything knows special is the only word.
lewis. obvious to me his teammates "froze" him early in the game. lewis fought this, but i think he may have gotten the message. not something i like to see at any level or with any team. hopefully the message was made clear and receicved that its a team game. ron can play, but he has a tendency to ball hog, not play defense, play in bursts with lackluster effort. then bring an all b10 effort.
conley nice game, same comments that ive said before. needs to be more assertive with his shot. if guys go under the perm ball screen he needs to take and make the shot. played better defense this week, teneded to put himself in postion to be trapped. all these things will come i have no question. its just about learning and growing, then showing that on the floor.
lighty/cook did not play their best tonight. pt reflected that as he only played in the low teens in minutes. for the first time they really showed freshmenness as they struggled with how csu mugged them on the perm. it wont be the last time they see "physical" play out there (hint hint izzo and his boys)
hunter amazes me everytime. seems to improve leaps and bounds everytime you see him on the court. his post game is starting to resemble a post game. he is very athletic and i believe will continue to improve. (though i don believe oden is having an impact here with wearing guys down and they tend to rest the 4/5 in correlation with oden).
twig he talked about in the dispatch this week working on his long shot, i didnt see much of one. didnt record a board. seems to think hes mutombo and has to block everything. he is athletic but a point will come where twig will be a very important assets and he will be needed. picking up tickey tack fouls chasing balls for the swat will bite him and the team in the ass...
butler. solid defensively. quite on the other end, minus two three balls. one of which was on what i considered a big poes. i still think something is going on. tended to half ass it on the offensive end. played very solid on the def end. leads me to believe that his role is changing. defensive stopper. dont kid yourself he can still knock down the big clutch shot but seems hes going to concentrate on the defensive end of the floor.
general thoughts.
i think those are a little negative, but as always easier to work on negatives and more productive to have things to focus on for improvement.
a kid in front of me "dad oden is good" that was about the third trip down the floor, i laughed as i thought about saying "sir you arent raising a fool"
hunter and oden combo, finally saw it. nothing happened in the paint with those two guys out there.
oden and #3 combo. i liked these two together too. harris will hit his shots, hes proven that. youll see these two together a lot they mix very well. they really do compliment each other.
conditioning (oden really) saw a tendency to get the tempo a little more uppaced, personally i took it as a chance to get oden to run the floor and game condition him. i believe in the wooden belief in 110 percent doesnt exist, or if it doesnt its cuz youre not giving it all all the time, but i also believe you cant simulate game speed. i think we saw that today as they left greg in their for a few stretches for conditioning purposes.
16 points in the paint for csu (6 in the first half) wow.
ive never seen any of those officials (or didnt recognize them) most have been ooc refs. they sucked. awful. you saw muggings on one end and ticky tack on the other end. some phantom calls, traveling, the fastests five seconds calls.
five seconds... i dont know what was going on with that but anytime you cant inbound the ball i tend to get pissed. not everyone was on the same page and i thought effort lacked on the inbound. also what you tend to see with a young team is they run to the ball and pick it up too quick. you need to get your guys set. sometimes this means getting the press set too, but personally id rather have the press set and face that than have 2 or 3 seconds to inbound the ball.
press breaker, get the ball to the middle of the floor please. you can out size/athlete csu, later on it will come back to hurt us. you saw it tonite, when the balls in the middle of the floor its over, the team with the ball has the advantage...
so this didnt turn out to be the really quick thought i planned on so im off to bed with out rereading what ive got here. tear it apart folks...
#3. i suppose i could call him ivan harris, but no one would recognize his game by that name. ivan shot poorly from the field, was worse from behind the line. though he had another great game. 10 boards, boxing out, played some very solid defense. a side note, i knew he threw nice entry passes, but no questions best entry passer at this point on the team. more on ivan in a bit
oden, i said it last game. enjoy every minute of it. i mean that. someone like this doesnt come along every 8 or 9 years as some have said, he might be the 20 to 30 type of center. meaning you see a guy like this once in your generation, think george m, kareem, wilt, bill r, shaq... i mean it. the thing that impresses me the most about greg, his strength. for a kid who had a bad wrist, im just amazed in the power of his body. in all honesty you can go on for days, but anyone who knows anything knows special is the only word.
lewis. obvious to me his teammates "froze" him early in the game. lewis fought this, but i think he may have gotten the message. not something i like to see at any level or with any team. hopefully the message was made clear and receicved that its a team game. ron can play, but he has a tendency to ball hog, not play defense, play in bursts with lackluster effort. then bring an all b10 effort.
conley nice game, same comments that ive said before. needs to be more assertive with his shot. if guys go under the perm ball screen he needs to take and make the shot. played better defense this week, teneded to put himself in postion to be trapped. all these things will come i have no question. its just about learning and growing, then showing that on the floor.
lighty/cook did not play their best tonight. pt reflected that as he only played in the low teens in minutes. for the first time they really showed freshmenness as they struggled with how csu mugged them on the perm. it wont be the last time they see "physical" play out there (hint hint izzo and his boys)
hunter amazes me everytime. seems to improve leaps and bounds everytime you see him on the court. his post game is starting to resemble a post game. he is very athletic and i believe will continue to improve. (though i don believe oden is having an impact here with wearing guys down and they tend to rest the 4/5 in correlation with oden).
twig he talked about in the dispatch this week working on his long shot, i didnt see much of one. didnt record a board. seems to think hes mutombo and has to block everything. he is athletic but a point will come where twig will be a very important assets and he will be needed. picking up tickey tack fouls chasing balls for the swat will bite him and the team in the ass...
butler. solid defensively. quite on the other end, minus two three balls. one of which was on what i considered a big poes. i still think something is going on. tended to half ass it on the offensive end. played very solid on the def end. leads me to believe that his role is changing. defensive stopper. dont kid yourself he can still knock down the big clutch shot but seems hes going to concentrate on the defensive end of the floor.
general thoughts.
i think those are a little negative, but as always easier to work on negatives and more productive to have things to focus on for improvement.
a kid in front of me "dad oden is good" that was about the third trip down the floor, i laughed as i thought about saying "sir you arent raising a fool"
hunter and oden combo, finally saw it. nothing happened in the paint with those two guys out there.
oden and #3 combo. i liked these two together too. harris will hit his shots, hes proven that. youll see these two together a lot they mix very well. they really do compliment each other.
conditioning (oden really) saw a tendency to get the tempo a little more uppaced, personally i took it as a chance to get oden to run the floor and game condition him. i believe in the wooden belief in 110 percent doesnt exist, or if it doesnt its cuz youre not giving it all all the time, but i also believe you cant simulate game speed. i think we saw that today as they left greg in their for a few stretches for conditioning purposes.
16 points in the paint for csu (6 in the first half) wow.
ive never seen any of those officials (or didnt recognize them) most have been ooc refs. they sucked. awful. you saw muggings on one end and ticky tack on the other end. some phantom calls, traveling, the fastests five seconds calls.
five seconds... i dont know what was going on with that but anytime you cant inbound the ball i tend to get pissed. not everyone was on the same page and i thought effort lacked on the inbound. also what you tend to see with a young team is they run to the ball and pick it up too quick. you need to get your guys set. sometimes this means getting the press set too, but personally id rather have the press set and face that than have 2 or 3 seconds to inbound the ball.
press breaker, get the ball to the middle of the floor please. you can out size/athlete csu, later on it will come back to hurt us. you saw it tonite, when the balls in the middle of the floor its over, the team with the ball has the advantage...
so this didnt turn out to be the really quick thought i planned on so im off to bed with out rereading what ive got here. tear it apart folks...
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OhioState49
Hall of Fame
This game was televised for me, and I was quite surprised. Anyways, I was amazed of how good Greg Oden was. The first 12 points was mainly all him, and how he did it was amazing!
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TimSpencer's QB
inebrioxicated
OhioState49;684113; said:
I noticed you are from Piqua. With your cousin Jablonka being from Pick that must have added to the D II final intensity last week. :)
Are you involved with Piqua football? Congrats on the win.
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OSUBasketballJunkie
Never Forget 31-0
Dispatch
OHIO STATE 78 CLEVELAND STATE 57
Oden plays big role
Buckeyes excel with 7-foot freshman on floor; Hunter, Harris also deliver
Sunday, December 10, 2006
Bob Baptist
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
Ohio State?s Ivan Harris beats Cleveland State?s Joe Davis to the ball in the second half. Harris had a career-high 10 rebounds.
Ohio State?s Greg Oden smothers a shot by Cleveland State?s Renard Fields in the second half.
It didn?t take the Ohio State men?s basketball team long to learn to play with its new Big Boy toy.
The challenge for the fifth-ranked Buckeyes yesterday was remembering how to play without Greg Oden.
They worked all week to integrate the 7-foot freshman into the mix after he made his debut, and fewer than four minutes into the game against Cleveland State, they led 12-0. Oden, in his first start, had six points (including two dunks), two rebounds and an assist.
Then he went to the bench, and in four minutes, the lead was down to 16-10. It was the way it went for the next two hours. Ohio State outscored the Vikings by 17 points with Oden and by four without him in a 78-57 victory in Value City Arena.
"Our intentions were to leave him in a little bit longer," coach Thad Matta said, but Oden picked up one foul less than a minute into the game and a second in the first 10. "He didn?t play quite as many minutes as I wanted to play him."
Oden scored 16 points in 22 minutes, making all eight of his shots from the field to enter the record book in just his second game. Only four other Buckeyes were perfect from the field with eight or more attempts: Jerry Lucas, John Havlicek, Brian Brown and J.J. Sullinger.
"I played all right," Oden said. "These two guys? rebounding was the highlight of the game."
The two guys who joined Oden at a postgame interview, 6-9 Othello Hunter and 6-8 Ivan Harris, combined for 25 points and 21 rebounds as Ohio State (8-1) outscored the Vikings (5-6) by 24 points in the lane and outrebounded them by 24.
Hunter came off the bench for his first double-double ? 17 points and 11 rebounds in only 13 minutes ? and Harris had a career-high 10 rebounds to overshadow a 3-of-11 iceberg from the field.
"The kid I thought did an outstanding job when he was on the floor was Hunter," Cleveland State coach Gary Waters said. "We did not put a lot of emphasis on (preparing for) him."
J?Nathan Bullock led Cleveland State with 21 points. The Vikings lost their secondleading scorer, guard Victor Morris, to a foot injury in the first half.
Matta?s preferred routine of rotating nine players went up in smoke in the first half after Oden, Hunter, Daequan Cook and David Lighty played six minutes or less after incurring two fouls apiece. All except Hunter were out of the game before 10 minutes were off the game clock. Hunter exited at 7:28.
The Buckeyes led by only nine points 4 1 /2 minutes into the second half before Hunter scored every point in an 8-0 run that hiked their advantage to 58-41 with 11:30 left. The margin was double figures the rest of the way.
Hunter scored four of the eight points playing in tandem with Oden for the first time. He had played center exclusively until then.
"I liked it," said Hunter, who was recruited out of junior college to play power forward. "It?s kind of easy because most guys, if me and (Oden) are in there, they?ll go for him and double him. I?ll be wide open, and if it?s a missed shot, I can get the easy rebound."
Matta liked the Buckeyes? 45-21 rebounding advantage. He didn?t like their 19 turnovers, the most since they gave the ball up 26 times in a helter-skelter opener against VMI a month ago.
"Cleveland State did a very similar thing to what Valparaiso did last weekend in trying to slow the tempo down," Matta said. "As I told the guys after the game, we can?t let that take away from our concentration. We had too many unforced or undisciplined errors.
"We don?t want to do that. The way we?ve shot the ball this year, we need to make sure we get shots at the basket."
Ohio State shot better than 50 percent from the field for the eighth time in nine games.
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Would much rather see the D and rebounding from Harris than his scoring - not that he wont be delivering both. Kudos to Matta for finally getting the best out of Ivan. It is unexpected.
This team is still struggling to find an identity with Oden in the lineup. I loved the way the were playing three games back - pushing the ball up court and pulling the trigger as soon as someone was open. No question they will be better with Oden, but there is an adjustment going on.
I was also very impressed with how much quicker Oden was getting up court. Perhaps CSU was slowing us down more than I appreciated, but Oden was not trailing the play as he was the week before.
Also gotta remember that this was finals week, so focus should have been elsewhere. Not the best time to be adjusting to a change in the lineup - but there is no bad time when that change is Oden. (By my count he had 8 points and 3 rebounds in the first 3-4 minutes of the game.)
I love to watch other teams try to go low when Oden is in the game. Bullock kept backing off but finally tried to put one up late in the game and it came right back at him. He is so quick it makes him much bigger than his size. This may be even more fun against premier athletes who are harder to convince.
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