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2025 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, etc.

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cincibuck said:
I have no doubt that something helped Michigan turn things around "overnight" and that stealing signals contributed greatly to it. But it didn't hurt that they had 1 outstanding, three better than average DEs, a couple of good DBs, good tight ends, two running backs who could take a pounding, and a good athlete at QB who wasn't asked to win games with accuracy. Also didn't hurt that they caught an OSU team in a three year period of major coaching changes.
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The cheating in 21 and 22 gave them credibility as a contender to recruit and obtain transfer players. It also led to increased NIL donations from excited donors, specifically including the One More Year Fund that helped retain older players including Corum on the fake championship team. If Day dropped a hundred on them in 20 and their narcissistic coach didn't harness the illegal scouting scheme then their team would have looked nothing like it did in 22 and 23 (and 24 for that matter).

I believe that in addition to blatantly cheating in regards to (1) recruiting with no rules and (2) illegal advanced scouting and hacking (3) opponent health info and (4) practice footage, they also (5) completely ignored time/practice limits regarding direct player coaching. They were able to spend as much time as they pleased teaching advanced NFL concepts that NCAA time constraints make impossible. Don't give cheaters credit - they earned none.

And what successful program doesn't have assistance coaching changes regularly? Plus it's the last game of the season. That excuse is dogshit.
 
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CincyInterloper said:
People have been trying to figure out what the fuck that guy was singing for decades, and you finally cracked it! Legend has it Doug Ingle himself couldn’t remember what he was singing when he heard it played back the next day because he was so drunk when they recorded it.
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I heard he was actually trying to sing "In the garden of eden" and he wasn't drunk but instead high on LSD. :shrug: I can't say for sure... wasn't there.
 
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sammyjenkis said:
The cheating in 21 and 22 gave them credibility as a contender to recruit and obtain transfer players. It also led to increased NIL donations from excited donors, specifically including the One More Year Fund that helped retain older players including Corum on the fake championship team. If Day dropped a hundred on them in 20 and their narcissistic coach didn't harness the illegal scouting scheme then their team would have looked nothing like it did in 22 and 23 (and 24 for that matter).

I believe that in addition to blatantly cheating in regards to (1) recruiting with no rules and (2) illegal advanced scouting and hacking (3) opponent health info and (4) practice footage, they also (5) completely ignored time/practice limits regarding direct player coaching. They were able to spend as much time as they pleased teaching advanced NFL concepts that NCAA time constraints make impossible. Don't give cheaters credit - they earned none.

And what successful program doesn't have assistance coaching changes regularly? Plus it's the last game of the season. That excuse is dogshit.
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DPIA
 
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sammyjenkis said:
The cheating in 21 and 22 gave them credibility as a contender to recruit and obtain transfer players. It also led to increased NIL donations from excited donors, specifically including the One More Year Fund that helped retain older players including Corum on the fake championship team. If Day dropped a hundred on them in 20 and their narcissistic coach didn't harness the illegal scouting scheme then their team would have looked nothing like it did in 22 and 23 (and 24 for that matter).

I believe that in addition to blatantly cheating in regards to (1) recruiting with no rules and (2) illegal advanced scouting and hacking (3) opponent health info and (4) practice footage, they also (5) completely ignored time/practice limits regarding direct player coaching. They were able to spend as much time as they pleased teaching advanced NFL concepts that NCAA time constraints make impossible. Don't give cheaters credit - they earned none.

And what successful program doesn't have assistance coaching changes regularly? Plus it's the last game of the season. That excuse is dogshit.
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Glad to hear you point this out. I believe similarly.

The cheating didn’t make TCUN elite. They already were a good football program. What the cheating did (specifically in 2022 which I 1000% believe they stole that game from us) was allowed them to get their program off the mat. The cheating gave them that final bump they needed to beat us in 2021, gain confidence because of that, recruit transfers off the success, and then really kick it into overdrive for 2023 with a perfect storm of getting all those old players to come back for one more year.

They aren’t the shitty program many OSU fans think but they aren’t elite either. They needed that bump to get their broken program off the ground and they decided it was worth it to break the rules.

Well time to pay the piper. They will be held accountable and they will be made an example of. How could the NCAA not? And risk other programs deciding it’s worth it if TCUN gets off light?

No freaking way man.
 
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It was the cheating combined with the transfer portal, but especially, the “free” Covid year.

Harbaugh went “all in” on 5th, 6th, & 7th year seniors, and began exploiting game-tape.

Michigan 2023 is one the better college teams I’ve seen in history….from the experience along both sides of lines with the cheating, the product in the field was nasty.

The fact we almost beat them on the road talks about how talented that OSU team was, IMO.
 
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Captain Buckeye said:
They aren’t the shitty program many OSU fans think but they aren’t elite either. They needed that bump to get their broken program off the ground and they decided it was worth it to break the rules.
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I guess it depends on what you mean by "shitty program".

But let's compare them since 2000 to another Big Ten team. Not Ohio State (yet). See if you can figure out which is *ichigan and which is the other Big Ten team (and which other team it is):

In 25 years, Team A has won 11+ games 6 times. Team B has won 11+ games 6 times.
Team A has won 10 games 5 more times. Team B has won 10 games 4 more times.
Team A won 9 games 4 more times. Team B won 9 games 5 more times.
Counting 2020 as 12 games (so *ichigan's 2-4 record becomes 4-8), Team A has had an average record of 8.72 and 4.12, and Team B has had an average record of 8.92 and 4.20.
Team A has had 4 seasons of 5 wins or fewer, and Team B has had 2 seasons of 5 wins or fewer.

Team A was *ichigan.
Team B was Wisconsin

So I guess it depends on whether Wisconsin is also a "shitty program".
 
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Zurp said:
I guess it depends on what you mean by "shitty program".

But let's compare them since 2000 to another Big Ten team. Not Ohio State (yet). See if you can figure out which is *ichigan and which is the other Big Ten team (and which other team it is):

In 25 years, Team A has won 11+ games 6 times. Team B has won 11+ games 6 times.
Team A has won 10 games 5 more times. Team B has won 10 games 4 more times.
Team A won 9 games 4 more times. Team B won 9 games 5 more times.
Counting 2020 as 12 games (so *ichigan's 2-4 record becomes 4-8), Team A has had an average record of 8.72 and 4.12, and Team B has had an average record of 8.92 and 4.20.
Team A has had 4 seasons of 5 wins or fewer, and Team B has had 2 seasons of 5 wins or fewer.

Team A was *ichigan.
Team B was Wisconsin

So I guess it depends on whether Wisconsin is also a "shitty program".
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What I mean is they aren’t a team like South Carolina etc. They have the make up of an elite school. The donors, traditions, the history etc to be a top school but they’ve just severely underperformed since Carr left.

The last 20 years of being a 650-700 win percentage program was going to continue if not for drastic measures. They decided it was worth it to jump start their program by breaking a variety of rules.

So again, what message does it send if they get to keep the championships? I think it’s just precious that so many think “they for sure won’t lose all the wins or the championships”. How could they not lose all of those? Thats the fruit of their borderline criminal behavior (I classify this as game fixing and think this is far more serious than most). You’ll have a ton of programs wondering if it’s worth the risk of being caught if TCUN gets to parade around their championships.

Especially programs that just need that final boost. Teams like Tennessee, Penn State, Oregon, Texas etc
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Fuck them.
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In an ever-changing world, full of uncertainties, it is good to know that this opinion has not changed.
And if it ever changes, I want you to pull the plug on my life support. And if I'm not on life support, then just pull the plug on the refrigerator, or find some other appliance that I like and pull the plug on it.
 
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sammyjenkis said:
The cheating in 21 and 22 gave them credibility as a contender to recruit and obtain transfer players. It also led to increased NIL donations from excited donors, specifically including the One More Year Fund that helped retain older players including Corum on the fake championship team. If Day dropped a hundred on them in 20 and their narcissistic coach didn't harness the illegal scouting scheme then their team would have looked nothing like it did in 22 and 23 (and 24 for that matter).

I believe that in addition to blatantly cheating in regards to (1) recruiting with no rules and (2) illegal advanced scouting and hacking (3) opponent health info and (4) practice footage, they also (5) completely ignored time/practice limits regarding direct player coaching. They were able to spend as much time as they pleased teaching advanced NFL concepts that NCAA time constraints make impossible. Don't give cheaters credit - they earned none.

And what successful program doesn't have assistance coaching changes regularly? Plus it's the last game of the season. That excuse is dogshit.
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All right. They were complete horseshit, they got lucky, they cheated. all their players were shit. Their coaches were stupid. Does that make you feel better about losing four games to them? They had some talent. Not Ohio State level talent, but also not Minnesota level talent.

im not saying that cheating didn’t make a difference, it did. But put Stallions on Iowa’s staff and see if the Hawkeyes win a natty.
 
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Zurp said:
In an ever-changing world, full of uncertainties, it is good to know that this opinion has not changed.
And if it ever changes, I want you to pull the plug on my life support. And if I'm not on life support, then just pull the plug on the refrigerator, or find some other appliance that I like and pull the plug on it.
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There goes the vibrator…
 
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Captain Buckeye said:
What I mean is they aren’t a team like South Carolina etc. They have the make up of an elite school. The donors, traditions, the history etc to be a top school but they’ve just severely underperformed since Carr left.

The last 20 years of being a 650-700 win percentage program was going to continue if not for drastic measures. They decided it was worth it to jump start their program by breaking a variety of rules.

So again, what message does it send if they get to keep the championships? I think it’s just precious that so many think “they for sure won’t lose all the wins or the championships”. How could they not lose all of those? Thats the fruit of their borderline criminal behavior (I classify this as game fixing and think this is far more serious than most). You’ll have a ton of programs wondering if it’s worth the risk of being caught if TCUN gets to parade around their championships.

Especially programs that just need that final boost. Teams like Tennessee, Penn State, Oregon, Texas etc
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They weren't a elite level football team under Carr most of the time either.

They had more 4/5 loss seasons (5) than 2 loss or less seasons (3) under Carr.

But yea the program really tanked down a notch when Carr left.

In modern times they are a "B" (at times C) level program who likes to pump themselves up as a A level program
 
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A combo of advanced cheating and luck in retaining/developing 5th 6th 7th year seniors was what they leaned on, as soon as that went away they tanked back to a 4+ loss type team.

Look at the final year before the cheating and the first year after and that is what they really are.

This year won't be any better either.
 
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