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2018 tOSU Defense Discussion

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The Buckeye’s press-man coverage technique is to look for the ball if you’re even and play through the receiver’s hands if you’re a step behind.

In the past, this technique has worked very well.

This year, there are two issues with it.

First is the preponderance of playing from a step (or more) behind that is happening so far. Other corners we’ve had have adjusted and improved in press-man coverage. That might happen this year.

Second issue is the tendency of a lot of offenses to intentionally underthrow the deep ball, knowing they’ll get a cheap PI a high percentage of the time.

When the first issue is corrected, the second is reduced as it becomes riskier to underthrow against a dB who is running in step with the receiver.

They’re not going to change the technique. That leaves us (the fans) in the position of hoping they do it better
 
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DaddyBigBucks said:
The Buckeye’s press-man coverage technique is to look for the ball if you’re even and play through the receiver’s hands if you’re a step behind.

In the past, this technique has worked very well.

This year, there are two issues with it.

First is the preponderance of playing from a step (or more) behind that is happening so far. Other corners we’ve had have adjusted and improved in press-man coverage. That might happen this year.

Second issue is the tendency of a lot of offenses to intentionally underthrow the deep ball, knowing they’ll get a cheap PI a high percentage of the time.

When the first issue is corrected, the second is reduced as it becomes riskier to underthrow against a dB who is running in step with the receiver.

They’re not going to change the technique. That leaves us (the fans) in the position of hoping they do it better
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I think Sheffield embodies this technique the most and similar to Roby he has elite makeup speed which bails him out at times. Okudah and Wade are our guys who can really blanket guys but Okudah gets a little too aggressive which gets him called for fouls so often. Arnette is a bit of both. I would rather have out guys on the "more aggressive" route and pick up the occasional foul than play the trail and give up the big play. Yeah they both hurt but I think it can frustrate the receiver knowing that the db is going to harass him so forcefully and be in his pocket. We are recruiting these elite athletes, let their athletic ability shine through and tell them to be as aggressive as possible.
 
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DaddyBigBucks said:
The Buckeye’s press-man coverage technique is to look for the ball if you’re even and play through the receiver’s hands if you’re a step behind.

In the past, this technique has worked very well.

This year, there are two issues with it.

First is the preponderance of playing from a step (or more) behind that is happening so far. Other corners we’ve had have adjusted and improved in press-man coverage. That might happen this year.

Second issue is the tendency of a lot of offenses to intentionally underthrow the deep ball, knowing they’ll get a cheap PI a high percentage of the time.

When the first issue is corrected, the second is reduced as it becomes riskier to underthrow against a dB who is running in step with the receiver.

They’re not going to change the technique. That leaves us (the fans) in the position of hoping they do it better
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and considering OSU has the 16th best opponent completion percentage in the country (52.88%), which is again comparable to Bama and Clemson while better than UGA, tsun and other "good defenses"....I think we are back to people needing to keep a certain level of perspective.

Big plays are a problem but overall the defense is doing exactly what it is designed to do. Create negative plays, turn the opponent over and get the ball back to the offense.

38th (best) in opponent avg TOP
1.7 takeaways per game
6th in the country with 3.7 sacks per game
converting a 3rd down is a 1 in 3 proposition for opposing offenses
completing a pass is a 50/50 proposition for opposing offenses


Cut down on the handful of plays per game the opponents have been living on and it gets real dicey for them to try to keep up with the OSU offense.
 
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OregonBuckeye said:
I wonder how Wint would fair at OLB. Not the biggest guy but neither were Rolle or Cie Grant.
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The LB's aren't the issue and even among the rough spots they have had, the OLB's certainly don't account for most of it.

Not sure what problem they would be solving with that move.

Fix the safety opposite of Fuller.

That's it
 
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Jaxbuck said:
and considering OSU has the 16th best opponent completion percentage in the country (52.88%), which is again comparable to Bama and Clemson while better than UGA, tsun and other "good defenses"....I think we are back to people needing to keep a certain level of perspective.

Big plays are a problem but overall the defense is doing exactly what it is designed to do. Create negative plays, turn the opponent over and get the ball back to the offense.

38th (best) in opponent avg TOP
1.7 takeaways per game
6th in the country with 3.7 sacks per game
converting a 3rd down is a 1 in 3 proposition for opposing offenses
completing a pass is a 50/50 proposition for opposing offenses


Cut down on the handful of plays per game the opponents have been living on and it gets real dicey for them to try to keep up with the OSU offense.
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Same thing with the run D. Half of rushing yards we've given up this year come from 7 plays. Minimize the breakdowns and we will be playing great defense.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
The LB's aren't the issue and even among the rough spots they have had, the OLB's certainly don't account for most of it.

Not sure what problem they would be solving with that move.

Fix the safety opposite of Fuller.

That's it
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The LB's absolutely have been an issue. They seem to be progressing but they still have plenty of room left to grow too. And it solves the problem of him contributing nothing to safety when he may be a natural at OLB. If he can actually play LB at this level he, at the very worst, provides quality depth. He isn't doing that at safety right now. I don't see the downside of at least trying it, considering that's what he played in HS
 
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OregonBuckeye said:
The LB's absolutely have been an issue. They seem to be progressing but they still have plenty of room left to grow too. And it solves the problem of him contributing nothing to safety when he may be a natural at OLB. If he can actually play LB at this level he, at the very worst, provides quality depth. He isn't doing that at safety right now. I don't see the downside of at least trying it, considering that's what he played in HS
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LB's have been responsible for gashes that should have been 20-30 yarders. It's overblown because of the safety play behind them has turned those into 70+ yard TD's.

Obviously they can play better but the good news is they appear to be doing so. I don't think anyone has doubted their athleticism so if they are improving some of the gap filling/assignment bust issues then starting over with a new guy doesn't seem like it's going to solve anything.

If the coaches want to work on depth at OLB I guess more power to them but I see several guys that appear bigger, faster and stronger than Wint so not sure how much he is going to help.


Bottom line to me is that the position switch conversations are a non starter. They are 6 games into a 12 game season so defensive improvement is going to go as far as the maturation of the back 7 take them.
 
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sparcboxbuck said:
Yeah, he looked bad there. But was that his responsibility? Could have been, but I don't recall. I thought that he had the outside. Will have to go back and look.
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Seeing as he was the only one within 10 yards of the WR, I'm going to guess yes. :lol:
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The way he so obviously opened up to redirect the guy inside made me believe that he was expecting safety help but I guess we will never know.

I mean, it wasn't like he was juked badly. He just drop stepped and said you aren't going outside. Problem for him was the receiver didn't appear interested in going outside and there was no one else on the inside.

:lol:
 
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Fungo Squiggly said:
From my seats in C-Deck, I don't know that he was even within 10 yards of him when it was caught. :lol:
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Well, I don't think you needed to be in A deck to have determined that. The whole 10-yards thing is what makes me think that it wasn't his assignment. Now, that's not to say it wasn't his assignment... but it certainly appeared that HE didn't think it was.

My guess is he was supposed to redirect inside and get help from the top... and that never came.
 
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