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2017 tOSU Defense Discussion

THREE KEY STATS: BARRETT POSTS BIG NUMBER, OHIO STATE RUN DEFENSE DOMINATES, BUCKEYES WIN TURNOVER BATTLE AT INDIANA


INDIANA RUNS FOR ONLY 17 YARDS

Ohio State’s defense allowed 420 passing yards on Thursday night, the most the Buckeyes have allowed in a single game since they allowed 451 yards at Michigan in 2013. With three new starters in their secondary from last season, Ohio State’s passing defense certainly struggled against Indiana quarterback Richard Lagow and a talented stable of Hoosiers receivers, led by Simmie Cobbs, who had 11 catches for 149 yards and a touchdown.

The biggest reason why the Hoosiers passed for so many yards, though, was that they threw the ball 65 times – an Indiana school record for most passing attempts in a single game.

The biggest reason why the Hoosiers attempted so many passes wasn’t because they were having so much success through the air, but because they had no success on the ground.

Ohio State held the Hoosiers to just 17 net rushing yards on 27 rushing attempts, not allowing a single run of 10 yards or more for the entire game. As the Hoosiers’ passing offense began to lose its steam in the second half, Ohio State’s defensive front continued to stifle the Hoosiers’ running game, which ultimately led to the home team’s demise.

OHIO STATE WINS THE TURNOVER BATTLE 3-0*

If there’s one statistic Ohio State’s coaches are sure to be happy about from Thursday night's game, it’s that the Buckeyes didn’t have a single turnover, marking the first time Ohio State kept a clean sheet in that category in a season opener since 2012.

Indiana, on the other hand, had three turnovers, and the Buckeyes capitalized on all three.

Jordan Fuller intercepted a pass in the end zone off a Kendall Sheffield deflection early in the second quarter, which provided a much-needed boost of momentum and kept the Buckeyes from going two scores. Fuller returned the interception to the 40-yard line, which helped set up a field goal.

A forced fumble on a strip sack by Jashon Cornell was recovered at Indiana’s own 11-yard line by Jonathan Cooper, which led to a touchdown pass from Barrett to Binjimen Victor on the very next play.

The Buckeyes drove 87 yards for their final touchdown of the game after an interception at their own 13-yard line by Denzel Ward.

By scoring 17 points off of three forced turnovers, while taking scoring opportunities away from the Hoosiers on both interceptions, Ohio State truly swung the game into its lopsided favor by winning the turnover battle.

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...ol-ground-game-and-turnover-battle-at-indiana

* and that doesn't count the fumble recovery returned for a TD that was over turned after review. IMHO, the incomplete pass ruling was correct (i.e. his wrist was going forward); however, it also was "intentional grounding".
 
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5 sacks is a great start.
But the secondary got torched early. Indiana found who to attack((Ward)) and that worked for a while. Ward did adjust and got an interception.
Arnette was solid most of the night.
Sheffield's tip was a good play.
Fuller had a nice interception and return.
 
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Indiana found who to attack((Ward)) and that worked for a while. Ward did adjust and got an interception.
You might want to re-evaluate that statement.

Last night, Ward had 6 passes defensed (passes broken up + interceptions).

The Buckeye record for an entire season is 21 by Ahmed Plummer in 1998.
 
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You might want to re-evaluate that statement.

Last night, Ward had 6 passes defensed (passes broken up + interceptions).

The Buckeye record for an entire season is 21 by Ahmed Plummer in 1998.

I am glad you said that, I read that comment and thought I was in the twilight zone because ward was doing yeoman's work out there, especially considering he was regularly giving up 6 inches in height against his prey
 
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I want to watch the game again to take the emotion out of it but while it often felt like Ward was getting worked over, it also felt like IU was simply turning every throw into a 50/50 job and winning almost all of them.

I mean, like we saw with Tulsa and others last year, if a competent QB sits back there in the gun and releases in under 3 seconds, the DL can't get there no matter how good they are.

That of course restricts the offense to chucking up a bunch of contested passes into tight windows. It worked for about 2 1/2 quarters last night.

The frustrating part to me is our offenses complete inability to do that (I know this is defense thread so I'll end rant here)
 
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I want to watch the game again to take the emotion out of it but while it often felt like Ward was getting worked over, it also felt like IU was simply turning every throw into a 50/50 job and winning almost all of them.

I mean, like we saw with Tulsa and others last year, if a competent QB sits back there in the gun and releases in under 3 seconds, the DL can't get there no matter how good they are.

That of course restricts the offense to chucking up a bunch of contested passes into tight windows. It worked for about 2 1/2 quarters last night.

The frustrating part to me is our offenses complete inability to do that (I know this is defense thread so I'll end rant here)

THIS, especially the bolded part.

Secondary needs to get it together fast or Mayfield will have a field day. Last night was 2013-esque.

NOT THIS: Lots of good throws by Lagow and better catches by his big receivers against fairly tight, if not consistently well reacting or ball hawking, coverage. Maybe a couple of blown coverages over the middle, but no huge busts or big plays given up to wide-open WRs and no soft ten-yards off the LOS b.s. Mayfield will hold the ball longer than Lagow did and that will not serve him well.
 
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You might want to re-evaluate that statement.

Last night, Ward had 6 passes defensed (passes broken up + interceptions).

The Buckeye record for an entire season is 21 by Ahmed Plummer in 1998.

He didn't win all his battles, and I'm sure that's what sticks out in some peoples' minds. That said, the dude played one hell of a game.

Frankly, considering that IU threw the frick'n ball more plays than some teams have total plays in an entire game, I give the young secondary a lot of credit. Are they ready for press-man? Dunno. But the half time adjustments seemed to dial up a different scheme a lot in the second half and that seemed to help quite a bit. So there's a little of the coaching having to recognize strengths and weaknesses and working around it. Will also give the defensive front rotation a LOT of credit for what happened in the second half. A continuous onslaught of fresh legs against an Oline, regardless of their experience, will wear them down significantly. All of a sudden the Oline can't protect for the 2.5 seconds anymore and we started seeing a lot of stalled drives from IU.

One thing I would like to see from our DBs, and I say this because I suspect that a lot of teams will attempt to attack us like IU with quick timing patterns, is for our DBs to disrupt the receiver at the LOS. When an offense is operating in sub-three second timing windows, even a stutter step is enough for the tail to wag the dog.

Finally, I'm not sure what they do with the over the shoulder fades. I'm not convinced that there will be many teams that they face this year who can pull that off as consistently as IU did last night. There were some just redonk touch passes and even more redonk catches.

I'll rest better when we start jamming receivers tho.

Ok, really final thought.

17 yards on the ground. Think about that.
 
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Ok, really final thought.

17 yards on the ground. Think about that.

they lost 30 yards to sacks and only had 20 actual RB carriers

to me that is the more telling "stat". IU didn't even attempt to run because they knew they couldn't. The eyeball test had me arriving at the same conclusion.

The DL was as advertised, they dominated the guys in front of them but a good scheme from IU and great execution by the QB and receivers helped them mitigate the damage...for a while.

IU attempted 68 passes and not because they had to play from behind the whole game or because they were in a shoot out.

That is my "think about this" stat
 
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they lost 30 yards to sacks and only had 20 actual RB carriers

to me that is the more telling "stat". IU didn't even attempt to run because they knew they couldn't. The eyeball test had me arriving at the same conclusion.

The DL was as advertised, they dominated the guys in front of them but a good scheme from IU and great execution by the QB and receivers helped them mitigate the damage...for a while.

IU attempted 68 passes and not because they had to play from behind the whole game or because they were in a shoot out.

That is my "think about this" stat

Oh agree in spades. Removing rushing losses due to sacks makes it even more impressive. I just liked being able to type a number less than 20 fucking yards of net rushing. I'll do it again because it feels so good. Less than 20 fucking net rushing yards.

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Front 7 is nasty. They are going to force a lot of teams into passing a lot. If the secondary can totally pull it together these guys are going to be real tough to score on.
 
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One thing I would like to see from our DBs, and I say this because I suspect that a lot of teams will attempt to attack us like IU with quick timing patterns, is for our DBs to disrupt the receiver at the LOS. When an offense is operating in sub-three second timing windows, even a stutter step is enough for the tail to wag the dog

I was screaming for this throughout much of the game. Given how big their guys were, perhaps a concern was that they'd knock our guys off and get open deep: For all of the passes that they hit, they didn't hit any really big plays.
 
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Glad Ohio State (both offense and defense) can leave Thursday's game happy, but not remotely satisfied.

The players and coaches can learn from moments in the game and improve, while being extremely happy with certain aspects (like defensive line depth).

Hope the secondary keeps building and improving.
 
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