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2012 Red Sox (thread of despair)

Buckeye513;2199405; said:
:slappy: That's like, $250m worth of contracts.

...For a team that was just bailed out of insolvency.

The Red Sox would be better off holding on to those guys and bankrupting themselves. It appears that's the quickest path to being a player in the trade/FA market these days.
 
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If giving up Gonzalez is the cost for getting rid of Beckett, Punto, and Neck Tat's albatross contract, so be it. If they're able to get even a mid-level prospect (preferably a pitcher) in return, that's gravy.

Seriously, this is every message board douchebag's "blow up the team" wet dream. The only other major items on my wish list were to get rid of Lackey and shop Lester and Ellsbury, which may not have to be done now that CC is gone. I can't wait to see how many creative ways they fuck up this massive mulligan they've been given if it goes through.
 
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Buckeye513;2199416; said:
If giving up Gonzalez is the cost for getting rid of Beckett, Punto, and Neck Tat's albatross contract, so be it. If they're able to get even a mid-level prospect (preferably a pitcher) in return, that's gravy.

Seriously, this is every message board douchebag's "blow up the team" wet dream. The only other major items on my wish list were to get rid of Lackey and shop Lester and Ellsbury, which may not have to be done now that CC is gone. I can't wait to see how many creative ways they [censored] up this massive mulligan they've been given if it goes through.

The Rays are looking great!
 
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http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/red_sox/
Early this morning, the Red Sox and Dodgers concluded a blockbuster deal in which the Red Sox shipped four players ? Adrian Gonzalez, Josh Beckett, Carl Crawford and Nick Punto ? in exchange for a massive relief in salary as well as four minor-leaguers and first baseman James Loney, according to a Red Sox source.

The deal will be worth in excess of $275 million to the Red Sox including luxury tax savings and salaries for the remainder of this season and beyond. Over the next six years, the Dodgers will receive $12 million from the Red Sox, with the payments to begin next year.
 
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NFBuck;2199707; said:
Wow. I don't think I've ever seen a pro sports franchise tap out that hard...

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Finley's happy days with the A's ended in 1976.

Back in 1976/1977 Charlie Finley ended up trashing the Oakland A's. He got rid of several of their stars; Reggie Jackson, Vida Blue, Joe Rudi, Rollie Fingers, and a couple others. Bowie Kuhn (the Commissioner) blocked some of the trade attempts, and needless to say, there were lawsuits.

Interesting story: http://athletics.scout.com/2/655697.html
 
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Hardly call it a tapout when Gonzalez is really the only thing they got rid of.


saying goodbye to an aging veteran who seems to be a shell of his former self, and way overpriced free agent who pulled a Randy Johnson on the big stage, while saving 200+ million dollars for the future seems like a good business deal to me.
 
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http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/j...sox-intend-to-fire-valentine-when-season-ends

In a move that will be seen as anticlimactic at this point, Red Sox upper management intends to remove Bobby Valentine as manager soon after the season ends, people familiar with the situation say.

The belief is Valentine's ouster will come either Thursday or Friday, though that isn't known. Some people believe the Red Sox will give Valentine the courtesy of a meeting, but several people said they don't believe there's any chance he would be able to change their minds, assuming he'd want to.

"No comment," general manager Ben Cherington said by text regarding the expected imminent ouster.

The Red Sox have wilted for a second straight season in September, though this season it's more understandable considering how their original roster was altered by injuries and a big trade with the Dodgers. They are having a very similar September season; Boston is 7-21 and has been outscored 147-83 this September. And last September, when the infamous chicken-and-beer episode occurred, they were 7-20 and were outscored 172-147.

Valentine raised eyebrows internally with interesting comments throughout the season, and on Wednesday he provided more of the same during his regular spot on WEEI, answering negatively when asked whether all his coaches had been loyal to him this season. Valentine acknowledged he helped picked the coaches, saying, "I had a say. I interviewed everyone."

A source said Valentine has believed that bench coach Tim Bogar, in particular, has been working against him. Valentine further acknowledged on the radio interview that it is his job to "work through it," and "make it all functional."

The Red Sox have used more players than ever before, 56, because of injuries and in some cases underperformance. Team management doesn't believe a 69-92 record represents any sort of overperformance, and it also didn't like some of the mini firestorms that came up.

In an unusual move, owners met with the players in July in New York to listen to grievances regarding Valentine and the coaching staff. It's clear Valentine had a poor relationship with Kelly Shoppach, who denied instigating the meeting but was shipped out, and Alfredo Aceves. However, the Aceves issue was could be placed on the reliever, who was suspended by the team for three games after blowing up at Valentine.

It was tough to follow Terry Francona, who is seen as a players' manager who spoke positively about all the players. Valentine seemed to fall into a hole when he expressed surprise that Kevin Youkilis wasn't giving quite the type of effort he expected. Youkilis was traded not too long after, but some say Valentine had trouble digging his way out of that. Dustin Pedroia publicly disagreed with Valentine over the Youkilis remark, and Cherington sided with Pedroia and Youkilis at the time.

In a WEEI interview a week ago, Cherington spoke openly about his plan to move quickly in his upcoming managerial search. Cherington, in his first full year at the helm, later tried to explain his answer by saying he "wasn't talking about Bobby," but it was hard to hear those comments without thinking a change was on his mind. Cherington is said to have told someone else that he meant to say "if" a change is made.

Valentine has a year to go on the two-year deal he was given before this season. The ownership triumvirate of John Henry, Larry Lucchino, Tom Werner steered GM Ben Cherington to hire Valentine after Cherington originally recommended Dale Sveum, who was then hired by the Cubs.

John Farrell, a former Red Sox pitching coach, is believed to be high on Boston's potential replacement list. Farrell's Blue jays team is only three games better than the Red Sox in the AL East.
 
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Buckeye513;2226617; said:
I'll be surprised if it's not Farrell. I don't think Toronto will offer him a contract extension attractive enough or go insane about the compensation.

Replacing one losing Manager with another? I hope not for Boston's sake, Toronto only 3 games above the Sox.

Personally I think Dave Martinez would be best, former player that can relate to players the best.
 
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Buckeye513;2226622; said:
Francona lost 94, 87, 85, and 97 games in Philadelphia.

The good about Francona was his ability to connect with players, something Bobby V majorly lacked. I think the team needs to rally around a similar type of leader, and Dave Martinez is a great fit for that. Farrell will just be a less than lateral move in my opinion.
 
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