2011 Preseason and Regular Season Polls

[Buckeye513]

Regardless, I think the idea that an otherwise deserving team should be kept out of the NC game just because a rematch would occur is bullshit.

 

[Bobby Hoying]

Regardless, I think the idea that an otherwise deserving team should be kept out of the NC game just because a rematch would occur is bull[Mark May].

The 1997 Sugar Bowl agrees with you.
Gators 52
Seminoles 20

Gators win NC even though they lost to FSU in the regular season. This was when we beat #2 Arizona State in the Rose Bowl.

 

[sepia5]

The 1997 Sugar Bowl agrees with you.
Gators 52
Seminoles 20

Gators win NC even though they lost to FSU in the regular season. This was when we beat #2 Arizona State in the Rose Bowl.

And the 2007 BCS National Championship game disagrees.

In any event, the analogy to the pre-BCS era doesn't really work. The Gators and Seminoles met up a second time because of conference/bowl affiliations. Otherwise, it would have been an ASU/FSU championship game.

I personally think it is unfair to make a team beat the same opponent twice to win the National Championship in a system that doesn't include a playoff. Not that I necessarily agree, but I can see the argument for a rematch where, in the regular season match up, the home team wins a close one and there is a consensus at the end of the season that the the two teams are the best in the country. Otherwise, I don't see it.

 

[Nicknam4]

I'd rather watch a National Championship game, not another SEC Championship Game. Thanks.

 

[Bobby Hoying]

AP Poll -

1. LSU
2. Bama
3. Arkansas

Only second time in history one conference has claimed 1,2,3. I have to admit SEC SEC SEC!

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

AP Poll -

1. LSU
2. Bama
3. Arkansas

Only second time in history one conference has claimed 1,2,3. I have to admit SEC SEC SEC!

Yep. The only other time was when the Big 8 had Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Colorado in 1971 (and they finished that way in the final AP poll).

 

[Buckeye513]

Coaches':
1. LSU (59) - 1,475
2. Alabama - 1,411
3. Virginia Tech - 1,291
4. Stanford - 1,289
5. Oklahoma State - 1,245

 

[Buckeye513]

BCS:
1. LSU
2. Alabama .955
3. Oklahoma State .871
4. Stanford
5. Virginia Tech
6. Houston
7. Boise State
8. Arkansas
9. Oregon
10. Oklahoma

Oklahoma at #10 is great for Oklahoma State.

 

[Bucknut24]

elevenwarriors Eleven Warriors
Excellent. RT @AndyHutchins Michigan's not BCS at-large eligible, hahahahahaha.

 

[BB73]

elevenwarriors Eleven Warriors
Excellent. RT @AndyHutchins Michigan's not BCS at-large eligible, hahahahahaha.

They figure to jump Georgia (unless they keep it very close), and the Sparty-Wiscy loser to get to #14, which is where they need to be. But a Clemson win over VT could mess things up. And a Georgia win over LSU could mean 3 SEC teams in the BCS, and if Houston wins Saturday, that means that #4 Stanford would be guaranteed the last spot by BCS Rules.

If UGA wins, and Bama/LSU are #1/#2:
3 SEC teams
5 Other Champions
Houston by rule
#3 or #4 Stanford, by rule

 

[BB73]

I posted this in another thread, but I'm adding it here so it be be referenced when the polls come out on Sunday, and people start wondering how the final BCS standings might shake out. This is the scenario for Okie State (if they win Bedlam against Oklahoma) trying to jump Bama.

Oklahoma State would only pass Bama if they were #2 in at least 5 of the 6 computers (which is probably likely), and were voted ahead of Alabama in at least 1/4 of the human voting in both the Coaches and Harris polls. It would be a dead heat if Oklahoma State was #2 and Alabama #3 in 5 (or 6) of the 6 computers (high and low are thrown out); and Alabama was #2 and Okie St #3 in exactly 75% of the human votes, with the remaining 25% having it flipped. That's with LSU being #1 in every computer and for every voter (which they are now), and with no other team getting into the top 3 in anything.

Team....Computers..Coaches..Harris..Total (average of the 3 columns)
Okla St...960.......930......930.....940
Alabama...920.......950......950.....940

If the 'middle 4' of the computer rankings (after tossing out the high and the low) is exactly 2, a team gets .960 in that column, if it's exactly 3, they get .920 (all 1's equals 100%, and each spot drops 4 percentage points).

In the human polls, the number is the vote total divided by how many votes a team would get if everybody voted them #1. So LSU is at 1.000 (100%). A team that got all #2 votes would be at .960 and a team with all #3 votes would be at .920. If you get half #2s and half #3s you'd be at .940; the 75/25 split among #2/#3 votes, with no other team getting any votes in the top-3, would mean one team would be at .950 and the other at .930.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

I thought the BCS had a rule about 2 teams max from a conference? Was that a rule at one point or did I make that up in my head?

 

[BB73]

I thought the BCS had a rule about 2 teams max from a conference? Was that a rule at one point or did I make that up in my head?

It's a rule that no team can have an At-large bid go to a third team from a conference, but BCS rules taking conference champions, and placing BCS #1 and BCS #2 into the Title Game supersede it. If UGA beats LSU, and LSU/Bama still end up BCS #1 & #2, the SEC gets 3 teams in the BCS this year.

The same thing was possible in the Big XII a couple of years ago, when they clarified the BCS rules on the situation, but it didn't happen.

 

[BB73]

Link for how the coaches voted in the poll which was used for the final BCS standings.

USAToday.grid

 

[dav713]

Link for how the coaches voted in the poll which was used for the final BCS standings.

USAToday.grid

Nick Saban's ballot: 1. LSU 2. BAMA 3. Stanford 4. Okie State
Mike Gundy's ballot? Didn't have a vote

It's a farce that college coaches get a say for who goes to the NCG (and who is BCS eligible).