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2011-2012 Men's Buckeye Basketball (Final Four Season)

good posts, all......just a couple of dumb questions, probably trying to remake the 'new' Buckeyes into a vision of the 'old', but who's the "glue" (aka David Lighty)? Assume that person would also be the fourth option, and the trusty spot up person who always canned the 3 ball (Diebler). I know that each team will take it's own personality, and that trying to recreate is what armchair coaches (like me) do, not what Matta will achieve. Key will be to have someone like Lighty, who 'gives themselves up' for the team, to slide over on D, fill the lane on a break, take the big scorer outside, and just do the necessary things to win, that don't show up in the stat sheet.....I don't know enough about the young 'uns coming up to project that position, so...any thoughts? Thanks



:gobucks3::gobucks4::banger: And I can't wait to see how ESPiN makes it the Buckeyes fault that all of the #1 seeds lost....
 
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I think Craft will be the "glue" that Lighty has been. I know he'll only be a sophomore, but he does all those little things that really fire up a team...draws the charge, makes the extra pass, hustles like a madman after loose balls. I don't think you replace a David Lighty. But as to who the new emotional leader will be, I just have this feeling it's Craft.

Down low, I think Sully and Thomas will be a good combo...hoping that Williams or Ravenel can contribute though.

Out front, a three point shooter needs to emerge opposite Buford. Maybe Siebert works his tail off this off season and becomes that guy.

I'm very excited to see if Scott can contribute right away at the point. You know...because we don't have a true PG...LOL!
 
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I don't think there will necessarily be a "glue" guy "like Lighty," but clearly Sully will be the unquestioned leader of the squad. Craft and Buford will provide supporting direction. The young guys will have tremendous role models for developing their games, and honestly I believe Shannon Scott will carry the torch very effectively moving forward.

Normally one would look askance at a team whose leader is a sophomore, but in this case, I don't think anyone will have a problem with the situation. Sullinger is going to be a sophomore by class designation but a 10-year pro by most measures.
 
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hey all...im new here..just found out about the site, checked it out and loved it. tough loss friday night and im still recovering, but it's still great to be a Buckeye! i hope that buford does come back next year, but I could easily see his response as a product of the emotion he was feeling, which could wear off (fingers crossed it doesnt). If he does come back though, we are going to be a force to be reckon with. Thomas is a man on the offensive glass and can fill it up, Sully will be the best player in the nation, Craft will be Craft but with a better jumper...and on and on...I think we will lose more than 3, but still will have just a good a shot as anyone at the title. looking forward to talking buckeye sports!
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calibuck;1899713; said:
good posts, all......just a couple of dumb questions, probably trying to remake the 'new' Buckeyes into a vision of the 'old', but who's the "glue" (aka David Lighty)? Assume that person would also be the fourth option, and the trusty spot up person who always canned the 3 ball (Diebler). I know that each team will take it's own personality, and that trying to recreate is what armchair coaches (like me) do, not what Matta will achieve. Key will be to have someone like Lighty, who 'gives themselves up' for the team, to slide over on D, fill the lane on a break, take the big scorer outside, and just do the necessary things to win, that don't show up in the stat sheet.....I don't know enough about the young 'uns coming up to project that position, so...any thoughts? Thanks.

Aaron Craft is the glue guy who's going to defend the top guard on the other team, and do many of the other things you mention. It would be great for next season if they have a guy like Lighty, a versatile player that can guard PFs as well as SGs and SFs. But I doubt that they will have one player who's big, athletic, energetic and strong enough to do what Lighty did on the D end AND skilled enough to be a major contributor on O. So perhaps Matta will be forced to do what he did back in '07 with Harris and Hunter, start the better offensive 4-man (Thomas) and then bring a defensive-minded forward (Ravenal/Williams) in off the bench. JDW might have the best combination of size, strength and athleticism if you're looking to replace Lighty with just one guy, but JD's got a lot of things he has to improve on technique and skill-wise. So the "answer" to replacing Lighty might have to be using 2 guys. Jordan Sibert might be the closest to being the type of glue guy you describe when you talk about filling the lane on the break.

I don't think any of the freshmen (other than Scott) are going to make a major impact right away. Consequently, I think one of the keys to next season is how much the returning guys improve/are ready to produce. Deshaun is at the top of the list - he struggled some defensively, but has showed good potential as a scorer and rebounder - if he can get a lot better defensively, he could make a big difference. Deshaun is one of the most skilled scorers on the team, how much he grows and improves on that side of the ball could be big as well. He is kind of at a crossroads, whether he gets better on D may determine whether he is a full-time/30 minute a game guy, or a 20-minute player.

I don't know if Ravenal will earn Matta's trust enough to play a significant role, but he is a returner by virtue of sitting out and practicing with the team this year and he is one of the oldest/most experienced players on the team. If there's anybody who should be ready to play solid reserve minutes at forward, it's him. If Ravenal can come in and be a good defensive forward & do the dirty work in the paint like DLaud, that would be huge. His stats from BC show he can shoot a high % from the field, can get a lot of rebounds, and is pretty good from the FT line, but he's not really a shotblocker and commits a lot of fouls. Hard to say what will happen with Rav.

Sully is capable of doing more on O than just being a post player - he could be unstoppable next year if he gets more comfortable shooting jumpers and routinely doing more than posting up on the low block. So even though Sully was great this year, don't assume he won't be significantly better next year. And Matta has shown a willingness to let a star player be a feature player (see: Turner, Evan & West, David). Sully could be the frontrunner for NPOY next year.

I think Sibert could be a big part of the team next year - he has good size, strength, athleticism, and plays with energy, he just needs a lot of work on his shooting. The good news is a lot of guys who struggled with their shot as freshmen under TM were able to rebound and shoot a lot better in their second seasons. If Sibert (who shot 25% on 3s this year) can make a jump in his 3-point percentage like Diebler (29%-42%) and Butler (23%-41%) made between their frosh and soph seasons, he would be a really good role player for this team. If the lineup is what I think it should be, then they will need to bring a good 3-point shooter with versatility off the bench, and Sibert could be that guy.

Smith has to improve his shooting a lot. It will be tough for him to beat out all the other guards for PT, but if he improves his shooting a lot he could earn a role as a ballhandler coming off the bench.

I love Shannon Scott's game. I think he will be a difference-maker on O - I believe he will average about 10 ppg next year and still get a lot of assists. He has great quickness and could/should make a major impact. Scott is the one guy that is being added that I think can replace the offensive production of a guy like Diebler or Lighty.

Scott-Craft-Buford-Thomas-Sullinger is what I think the starting lineup should be. The first backup F/C is most likely either Ravenal or Williams, then the first backup guard/wing I think will be Sibert. I wouldn't be surprised if Matta stuck with his top 7 guys like this year, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he went with a little deeper bench either, because he doesn't have anyone quite like the versatile & skilled Lighty or the perpetual deep threat Diebler (as an aside, I think calling Diebs a 4th option is selling him short - many felt he was the #2 option on this team). I think the general talents of the team next season is roughly similar to what it was in '07.

Assuming the starting lineup is Scott-Craft-Buford-Thomas-Sullinger, Matta has a wealth of bench options. He could bring in Ravenal or Williams for post defense and rebounding - Ravenal is the more experienced & stronger of the two, but Williams has better height/length and will block more shots. He could bring in Sibert, JDW, or Thompson who bring versatility and the "glue" element to the guard/wing positions off the bench. He could bring in Ross if he needs a guy who can create his own shot/points. He could bring in Smith if he needs another ballhandler. If no one transfers, Matta will have the full complement of 13 eligible, scholarship players for the first time ever at OSU. He was had 13 guys on scholarship in 2004-05, but Lewis had to sit out so they had 12 eligible scholarship players, and two of those guys transferred early in the season so most of the season he had 10 scholarship players available.
 
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BuckTilIDie6;1899786; said:
hey all...im new here..just found out about the site, checked it out and loved it. tough loss friday night and im still recovering, but it's still great to be a Buckeye! i hope that buford does come back next year, but I could easily see his response as a product of the emotion he was feeling, which could wear off (fingers crossed it doesnt). If he does come back though, we are going to be a force to be reckon with. Thomas is a man on the offensive glass and can fill it up, Sully will be the best player in the nation, Craft will be Craft but with a better jumper...and on and on...I think we will lose more than 3, but still will have just a good a shot as anyone at the title. looking forward to talking buckeye sports!
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Hi Buck, welcome to BP. :io:
 
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Ohio State's recruits will make men's basketball team deeper for next season
Published: Sunday, March 27, 2011
By Doug Lesmerises, The Plain Dealer The Plain Dealer


Newark, N.J. -- You know those guys in the uniforms, sitting in the really good courtside seats, who clap a lot and stand up to protect the huddle? They might play for Ohio State next season.

After two years of using virtually no bench, OSU men's basketball coach Thad Matta will have a different roster to work with next season, one that could truly go 13 deep, as opposed to the nine healthy scholarship players he had this season. He's also losing two players in Jon Diebler and David Lighty who almost never came off the court the past two seasons, and the new starters may not earn such long minutes.

If big man Jared Sullinger and scoring wing William Buford return -- as they have said they would -- to join point guard Aaron Craft, who will slide into the starting lineup after being the Big Ten's Sixth Man of the Year, the Buckeyes will have a lot to build on.

Without seniors Lighty, Diebler and Dallas Lauderdale, the Buckeyes are losing 41.8 percent of their minutes, 37.5 percent of their scoring, 28.7 percent of their rebounding and 57.9 percent of their 3-pointers. Assuming Michigan doesn't lose Darius Morris to the NBA Draft, the Wolverines will return all their starters from a team that pushed Duke in their second-round NCAA Tournament loss, and they could be a preseason top-10 team. But with Sullinger, Buford and Craft, along with a five-man recruiting class that includes four of the top 75 prospects in the country, according to Rivals.com, the Buckeyes should be something they weren't at the start of this season -- the favorites to win the Big Ten.

"We had a lot of guys who might not have played a lot this year," Diebler said, "but they're very good players. The pieces are set where they could have a very good basketball team, especially with the guys coming in."

The wild card, as he was for parts of this season, is Deshaun Thomas.

The 6-6 forward was one of the top 25 recruits in the nation last year, but he played only 14 minutes per game, averaging 7.5 points as the Buckeyes' seventh man. Once seen as a potential one-and-done player, Thomas will return attempting to show what he, reasonably, thinks he can be.

"I can be a go-to guy," Thomas said, when asked to look ahead after Ohio State's season-ending loss to Kentucky on Friday. "I think I can hit big shots and play good defense. I think I can play the role of David Lighty or Jon Diebler."

Cont...

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2011/03/ohio_states_recruits_will_make.html
 
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if you thought the guys kentucky's gotten the last few years were good, (FYI, All thanks Crookperi!) this guy would make em jealous!! and he happens to be comin here!!! [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5vFwsbhB98"]YouTube - 6'6" High Flyer Sam Thompson: Future Ohio State Buckeye (Class of 2011)[/ame]
 
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OSU_Buckguy;1899000; said:
if sully and buford return, i would be surprised if the starting lineup is not this:

scott
craft
buford
thomas
sully

if sully returns but buford does not, then... well, that is tough. i don't think there is enough height if sibert replaces buford. i can see thompson cracking the starting lineup in buford's place.

whatever happens, we'll finally witness a season full of rotation. gone are the hero minutes of diebler and lighty.

Is Williams still pretty raw? I don't see him in the starting lineup projections that anyone has made so far.
 
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Re: "I can be a go-to guy," Thomas said, when asked to look ahead after Ohio State's season-ending loss to Kentucky on Friday. "I think I can hit big shots and play good defense. I think I can play the role of David Lighty or Jon Diebler."

I like his confidence. Last season we saw "flashes of his potential" and I believe that in 2011/2012 going to have a "monster breakout season".
 
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DZ83CK;1899787; said:
Aaron Craft is the glue guy who's going to defend the top guard on the other team, and do many of the other things you mention. It would be great for next season if they have a guy like Lighty, a versatile player that can guard PFs as well as SGs and SFs. But I doubt that they will have one player who's big, athletic, energetic and strong enough to do what Lighty did on the D end AND skilled enough to be a major contributor on O. So perhaps Matta will be forced to do what he did back in '07 with Harris and Hunter, start the better offensive 4-man (Thomas) and then bring a defensive-minded forward (Ravenal/Williams) in off the bench. JDW might have the best combination of size, strength and athleticism if you're looking to replace Lighty with just one guy, but JD's got a lot of things he has to improve on technique and skill-wise. So the "answer" to replacing Lighty might have to be using 2 guys. Jordan Sibert might be the closest to being the type of glue guy you describe when you talk about filling the lane on the break.

I don't think any of the freshmen (other than Scott) are going to make a major impact right away. Consequently, I think one of the keys to next season is how much the returning guys improve/are ready to produce. Deshaun is at the top of the list - he struggled some defensively, but has showed good potential as a scorer and rebounder - if he can get a lot better defensively, he could make a big difference. Deshaun is one of the most skilled scorers on the team, how much he grows and improves on that side of the ball could be big as well. He is kind of at a crossroads, whether he gets better on D may determine whether he is a full-time/30 minute a game guy, or a 20-minute player.

I don't know if Ravenal will earn Matta's trust enough to play a significant role, but he is a returner by virtue of sitting out and practicing with the team this year and he is one of the oldest/most experienced players on the team. If there's anybody who should be ready to play solid reserve minutes at forward, it's him. If Ravenal can come in and be a good defensive forward & do the dirty work in the paint like DLaud, that would be huge. His stats from BC show he can shoot a high % from the field, can get a lot of rebounds, and is pretty good from the FT line, but he's not really a shotblocker and commits a lot of fouls. Hard to say what will happen with Rav.

Sully is capable of doing more on O than just being a post player - he could be unstoppable next year if he gets more comfortable shooting jumpers and routinely doing more than posting up on the low block. So even though Sully was great this year, don't assume he won't be significantly better next year. And Matta has shown a willingness to let a star player be a feature player (see: Turner, Evan & West, David). Sully could be the frontrunner for NPOY next year.

I think Sibert could be a big part of the team next year - he has good size, strength, athleticism, and plays with energy, he just needs a lot of work on his shooting. The good news is a lot of guys who struggled with their shot as freshmen under TM were able to rebound and shoot a lot better in their second seasons. If Sibert (who shot 25% on 3s this year) can make a jump in his 3-point percentage like Diebler (29%-42%) and Butler (23%-41%) made between their frosh and soph seasons, he would be a really good role player for this team. If the lineup is what I think it should be, then they will need to bring a good 3-point shooter with versatility off the bench, and Sibert could be that guy.

Smith has to improve his shooting a lot. It will be tough for him to beat out all the other guards for PT, but if he improves his shooting a lot he could earn a role as a ballhandler coming off the bench.

I love Shannon Scott's game. I think he will be a difference-maker on O - I believe he will average about 10 ppg next year and still get a lot of assists. He has great quickness and could/should make a major impact. Scott is the one guy that is being added that I think can replace the offensive production of a guy like Diebler or Lighty.

Scott-Craft-Buford-Thomas-Sullinger is what I think the starting lineup should be. The first backup F/C is most likely either Ravenal or Williams, then the first backup guard/wing I think will be Sibert. I wouldn't be surprised if Matta stuck with his top 7 guys like this year, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he went with a little deeper bench either, because he doesn't have anyone quite like the versatile & skilled Lighty or the perpetual deep threat Diebler (as an aside, I think calling Diebs a 4th option is selling him short - many felt he was the #2 option on this team). I think the general talents of the team next season is roughly similar to what it was in '07.

Assuming the starting lineup is Scott-Craft-Buford-Thomas-Sullinger, Matta has a wealth of bench options. He could bring in Ravenal or Williams for post defense and rebounding - Ravenal is the more experienced & stronger of the two, but Williams has better height/length and will block more shots. He could bring in Sibert, JDW, or Thompson who bring versatility and the "glue" element to the guard/wing positions off the bench. He could bring in Ross if he needs a guy who can create his own shot/points. He could bring in Smith if he needs another ballhandler. If no one transfers, Matta will have the full complement of 13 eligible, scholarship players for the first time ever at OSU. He was had 13 guys on scholarship in 2004-05, but Lewis had to sit out so they had 12 eligible scholarship players, and two of those guys transferred early in the season so most of the season he had 10 scholarship players available.

Nice write up! I agree with Craft being the glue for the team next year. My biggest two concerns is:

1) Chemistry - This team was a close knit bunch of guys that played very well together. Based on the youth of next years team, it could go either way. Talent is there but can they develop as a team?

2) Depth! We hear about this year in and year out and until I see otherwise, Thad Matta will go no more than 8 deep with 7 and 8 seeing only minor minutes per game. Next season, IMO I think it would be very important to develop as much depth as possible due to the amount of youth on the team while fostering an understanding of team chemistry and players roles.

FWIW, I would be very surprised to see Buford back for his senior season. The pending NBA lockout will influence his decision though.
 
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The depth question is always one of the more interesting off-season issues. On the one hand, we know what Matta's done the past few years and it's possible that he could ride his top-6 once again. But on the other hand, he did not have anywhere close to 13 eligible scholarship players in any of those years. The "Clinton Portis view" (adopted from his Ines Sainz comments) is that you give a coach a choice of 8 athletes (guys that he already chose to add to the team) somebody gotta be appealing to him.

He had 9-10 healthy scholarship players at his disposal this year (JD wasn't always eligible, so sometimes it was only 9), only four of them were non-freshmen. They will have 8 non-freshmen next year with the roster as is. So there's no guarantee that they will rely heavily on the freshman class.

Scott is clearly the freshman I'm most excited about. I think he's got a good chance at being a PG in the NBA someday.
 
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