2009 tOSU Secondary discussion

[MaxBuck]

I'm guessing Chekwa and Amos at CB. Coleman and Russel at safety, with Hines as our star, and Moeller playing a little bit of star and OLB.

Unfortunately, I believe I've heard Amos has lost a lot of snap as a result of his knee problems. I believe we will see a return to corner for Kurt Coleman, and Hines, Russell, and Moeller at safety/nickel.

 

[jwinslow]

It sounds like I'm alone here but I can't quite put him higher on my list than Henderson. He's a solid #2 for me so far though.

OSU has a slew of talented OL, even the hard to find premiere tackles. OSU is thin in the secondary, even if a few of the incoming youngsters pan out.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

OSU has a slew of talented OL, even the hard to find premiere tackles. OSU is thin in the secondary, even if a few of the incoming youngsters pan out.

Not sure if having at least 10 secondary kids in 2010 is being "thin". Inexperienced maybe, but not thin. Still, I think you take a top-notch corner or safety anytime you can.

While we do have a "slew of talented OL" and all but Cordle will be around in 2010, only Brewster is a proven commodity (Browning has been inconsistent). I'll relax about the OL when all five of the starters perform solidly on a consistent basis.

It doesn't matter if Henderson is our #1 target and Joyner is #2 or vice versa, we need to get them both.

 

[jwinslow]

Not sure if having at least 10 secondary kids in 2010 is being "thin". Inexperienced maybe, but not thin. Still, I think you take a top-notch corner or safety anythie you can.

OSU has 1 proven corner returning and 3 safeties with experience (all three in their final season of eligibility).

The depth chart at CB consists of a promising RS Frosh (Howard from Krop), an injured upperclassmen (Amos - who might not heal), an athlete who switched to CB and might play pro baseball (Torrence), 3 true freshman, and a special teamer thus far (Evege).

4 of those 10+ you listed are safeties (Wood, Domicone, Johnson, Pentello) and not ideal candidates for CB. There are a lot of question marks at the db position, especially corner... and there are a lot of DB positions to fill against the spread offenses around the b10 (UM, NW, ILL, Minn, PSU, etc)

I'm confident Tressel will fill the holes at DB, he always does, but LJ would be the perfect headliner to accomplish this.

While we do have a "slew of talented OL" and all but Cordle will be around in 2010, only Brewster is a proven commodity (Browning has been inconsistent). I'll relax about the OL when all five of the starters perform solidly on a consistent basis.

Browning was a low-ranked project coming out of HS. Boren & Brewster are both 5-stars with a proven track record (and 2 & 3 years left respectively), and Adams, Shugarts, Hall, Mewhort & Norwell bring some serious talent to the table. It seems pretty safe to assume OSU can find a few standouts in that group.

It doesn't matter if Henderson is our #1 target and Joyner is #2 or vice versa, we need to get them both.

Norwell's commitment makes the need for Henderson much less, not to mention the chances of him coming here anyway. I don't see another LJ on the board and especially not in Ohio this year.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

OSU has 1 proven corner returning and 3 safeties with experience (all three in their final season of eligibility).

Same number as proven OL...one. Again, numbers, not experience.

The depth chart at CB consists of a promising RS Frosh (Howard from Krop), an injured upperclassmen (Amos - who might not heal), an athlete who switched to CB and might play pro baseball (Torrence), 3 true freshman, and a special teamer thus far (Evege).

We also have three incoming highly-touted freshman at corner. Then again, we never have had any corner who end up starting four years and being any good. Oh, wait...

4 of those 10+ you listed are safeties (Wood, Domicone, Johnson, Pentello) and not ideal candidates for CB.

Show me where I said all ten are corner material. And Joyner may not automatically be a corner...he could be moved to safety. Remember the last 5* corner we got and where he ended up playing?

Browning was a low-ranked project coming out of HS.

So that justifies his inconsistency?

Boren & Brewster are both 5-stars with a proven track record (and 2 & 3 years left respectively)

Boren played well at Michigan, but hadn't yet developed into a standout. But, we don't neccessarily need standouts, just good consistent play. So, I'll agree with you in that we have two, not one, "proven" O-linemen.

Adams, Shugarts, Hall, Mewhort & Norwell bring some serious talent to the table. It seems pretty safe to assume OSU can find a few standouts in that group.

Noneof whom have proved squat yet. Conner Smith brought some serious 5* talent with him, but hasn't done a thing yet. The potential is there, but the performance has yet to come to fruition. OL is the most volatile position to predict...

Norwell's commitment makes the need for Henderson much less, not to mention the chances of him coming here anyway.

You don't stop going after a talent like Henderson just because you have a one great commitment already in-hand. "The chances of him coming here" are irrelevent...you go after him anyway (as demonstrated by what the staff has done).

I don't see another LJ on the board and especially not in Ohio this year.

Not at all saying we shouldn't go after Joyner...we definitely should, as hard as we can. I'm just not sure if he's our #1 target, which shouldn't matter as long as we recruit him as hard as we should.

 

[jwinslow]

We also have three incoming highly-touted freshman at corner. Then again, we never have had any corner who end up starting four years and being any good. Oh, wait...

Do you see my signature?

Let's say OSU has another standout frosh CB from the 08 class, and let's also assume Howard is as good as the practice reports say. That gives OSU 3 CBs, 1 of which would only have 1 season with LJ before graduating. That's a very thin secondary.

Perhaps Amos will finally recover from his injury, Torrence won't play baseball and Evege will emerge, but until that happens, I think it's pretty safe to say the CB position is thin. They may need a true frosh to break out to give them a 3rd corner.

Show me where I said all ten are corner material.

The point was that 10+ sounds a lot bigger than the reality of the CB position:

1 starter + 3 frosh + 1 hyped rs frosh + 3 backups which all have big questionmarks.

And Joyner may not automatically be a corner...he could be moved to safety. Remember the last 5* corner we got and where he ended up playing?

There aren't many 5'9" safeties, mili. Not impossible, but not likely.

So that justifies his inconsistency?

It points out that Browning's development has little relevance in how the 4 5-star OL (Adams, Shugarts, Hall, Norwell) develop.

Boren played well at Michigan, but hadn't yet developed into a standout. But, we don't neccessarily need standouts, just good consistent play. So, I'll agree with you in that we have two, not one, "proven" O-linemen.

ok.

Noneof whom have proved squat yet. Conner Smith brought some serious 5* talent with him, but hasn't done a thing yet. The potential is there, but the performance has yet to come to fruition. OL is the most volatile position to predict...

OSU landed 2 5-star linemen. Boone & Smith. While Boone underachieved his ranking, he was a good player at OSU. With 5 blue chip OL, it would be pretty surprising to miss on all of htem. The athleticism and physical makeup (maybe other than Adams) of those 5 is also much different than Connor, both in HS and at OSU.

You don't stop going after a talent like Henderson just because you have a one great commitment already in-hand. "The chances of him coming here" are irrelevent...you go after him anyway (as demonstrated by what the staff has done).

To me, a superstar who could go to OSU is a bigger priority than one with mild interest in your school.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Do you see my signature?

Sorry if I don't have all day to wait until every position scrools through...

There aren't many 5'9" safeties, mili. Not impossible, but not likely.

Yeah, all high school seniors-to-be stop growing after their junior year.

It points out that Browning's development has little relevance in how the 4 5-star OL (Adams, Shugarts, Hall, Norwell) develop.ok.OSU landed 2 5-star linemen. Boone & Smith. While Boone underachieved his ranking, he was a good player at OSU.

Two 5* OL, one was pretty good and the other a non-contributer so far.

With 5 blue chip OL, it would be pretty surprising to miss on all of htem. The athleticism and physical makeup (maybe other than Adams) of those 5 is also much different than Connor, both in HS and at OSU.

Based on our history over the last 8-10 years, with few exceptions we haven't exactly been OL U. We've cranked out a few really good individuals (Bentley, Stepanovich, Mangold), but we've yet to have a season where the OL as a unit has played solid all year. "Block O" and Norwell may turn out to be as advertised, maybe not. OL is the hardest to project talent. You can't assume a certain percentage of 4* or 5* recruits will pan out, so you keep trying to get as much top talent there as you can.

 

[dozerbuck]

please move this discussion fellas.....This is clogging up the thread :)

 

[brutus2002]

Who did we lose besides Jenkins??? Washington...his head was not in the game. Washington could have been an AA this year but chose to not have his head in the game...It may have cost him Millions.

Chekwa...very very good corner
Hines...he can play safety/linebacker/star for me any day
Russell...is solid
Coelman...stud
Domicone...was scout team player of the wekk many times...he will get reps

Howard/Evenge/Amos will have to fill in the other corner spot. I have even heard Johnson named mentioned.

I'm not one bit concerned about safety/Star/Nickelback. The corner opposite Chekwa is a bit of a concern but I'm sure someone will step up.

One thing to consider is that our DL will be amazing. Early in the season it will help protect the new corners until they get their feet wet.

I don't think there will be a better secondary in the B10...not even close. PSU lost everybody...Illinois lost Vontae Davis. Maybe MSU will be close with Wiley & CO(IDK if he went pro or not).

I say sit back and relax...Corner is one position you cannot have too stud at.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

So this is where me and jwins discussion went...

I agree with billmac earlier...if Amos is near 100% it'll be him and Chekwa at the corners and Russel and Coleman at safties. Obviously losing Jenkins hurts but we should still have a solid secondary...

 

[jwinslow]

A move was defintely warranted (from LJ's thread), though it should be noted that our discussion was generally about 2010, when our top-3 safeties will be gone, amos might be, and chekwa will have 1 year left.

I'm not too concerned about the secondary this year, nor am I panicking about the CB starters in 2010 with studs like Clarke, Brown and others coming in. Depth is a concern.

 

[brutus2002]

Milli your "discussion" with JWins pertains to this thread IMO so I guess we are ok.

I undertsand both arguments. On one hand we look great but you can always point to the lack of experience at corner. IMO we have 4-5 guys that can play Safety/Nickel/Star very well. I would say we have by far (not even close) the best safeties and nickels in the conference.

If you think we are worried about our secondary look at other teams in the B10. Our Dline will be amazing and that will help. The only team on our schedule that can exploit our corners is USC. IMO there were alot of skill players(especially WR's) graduated in the B10. I think if we can get past USC with a "W" then our corners will have a chance to improve dramatically by the time Bowl season comes.

Look at the WR's and RB's lost in this conference. 3 of the top 5 RB's in the country gone!!! PSU lost their top 3 WR's. There are other teams that lost AA defenders PSU lost both DE's , Illinois lost Vontae Davis, and Iowa lost King and Krull(sp). We are looking great for another B10 crown.

 

[brutus2002]

Well even in 2010 we will look good at corner and probably not as good at Safety. IMO Chekwa stays but you never know. I think Domicone is gonna open some eyes this year. Hopefully we get a glimpse at Oliver. Orhian Johnson might get some DB reps...hopefully. We will see but DB and WR are positions I rarely get nervous about. Wasn't 2006 the year we lost 9 starters on defense...it will be fine. DL is the only position/positions I worry about on defense.

 

[Tjocelyn09]

Does Anybody think we could do better Russell at FS?

 

[Taosman]

I'm not ready to say our D line will be "amazing". But it would help if they are just "solid" and healthy. And stay out of trouble of course.
Now, if Chekwa gets hurt we could see someone like Corey Brown get a serious shot at playing time. Or we could be playing a safety at corner. :(