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2009 SEC discussion

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DontHateOState;1497006; said:
Not to pick on you, but I have two issues with this post.

1. The Air-Raid is a legitimate offense. Texas Tech runs it about as well as anyone right now, but it has its pros and cons like any other system. But to call it a gimmick is a little harsh considering how effective it is.

2. Ok. State runs a very interesting form of the spread. It has some similarities with pro-style formations with a ton of two back sets and
judicious use of 11 personal (1 big, 1 back), but they are still pretty spread as far as mindset goes.

I think Georgia rolls in this game. I really like a possible under betting option. Georgia's athletes nullify OK. State, while UGA's offense struggles under a new quarterback.
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I can see someone debating whether or not Texas Tech's offense is gimmick or not. I'd most certainly say that it is. It is an unbalanced pass/run offense, designed to exploit short flats with 4 and 5 wide sets out of shotgun formations.

The fact that it is so one-dimensional makes it gimmick to me. Oklahoma and Ole Miss proved that....if they can't have any success from the shotgun throwing the ball, they're screwed.

It'd be like stopping th etriple option consistently, and forcinga team like Navy to wing it around....just isn't going to happen.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1497065; said:
Don't hate...


I guess I don't understand your defensiveness on this issue.
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I apologize if I'm coming across as defensive. I certainly am not in reality. But it amuses me when fans accuse other teams of running "gimmick" offenses.

I really could care less what Bill Walsh has to say about the issue.

"The only reason you view anything as a gimmick has to do with your platonic ideal of what "real" football is."

No. I told you why I call it a gimmick. You may either accept what I said or not, but don't bull[censored] me with your opinion about what you think my opinion about "real" football is. Again, you're the one with the problem understanding the word "gimmick" not me.
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I perfectly understand the word "gimmick."

But if you view a gimmick as that second definition that you pointed out- " An innovative stratagem or scheme employed especially to promote a project" - then you have to have something you view as "normal" to be able to relatively define "innovative." That is where the platonic ideal of what offense should be comes into play.

Personally, I view a gimmick as something that a team uses more for a surprise change-up. Any fully fleshed out offense, such as the Air-Raid, does not seem "gimmicky" to me because it's what they run all of the time. Now, if Texas Tech were to line up in the I to start the game, that would be "gimmicky" to me because they are doing something different for the sole purpose of surprise.
 
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Well, in that case my "ideal" offense has more to do with what the NFL (the goal, right?) is looking for. Like I said, when every TTU QB hasn't been able to get it done in the NFL, when NFL scouts say that the best WR TTUs ever produced (Crabtree, my subjective opinion) has never run an NFL route... well... to me, that means they're running something at TTU that may be innovative, but it isn't "normal" and thus, a gimmick.

Running a particular play that you don't normally run - ie TTU lining up power I, Ohio State throwing to the TE :wink2: etc... I call them "trick plays" though I could see them as "gimmicks" with respect to the normal offense a team runs.
 
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jmorbitz;1496876; said:
We can't call the kettle black though. tOSU had had the most since 2000. Good thing self-reporting secondary violations doesn't cause many penalties, if any.
The Columbus Dispatch : Oversight vs. privacy at OSU
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Indeed - it's the honest and forthright thing to do. Little programs (and Georgia Tech) like to beat their chest and say "Ah-HA! CHEATERS! I knew it!"

In reality - it's self-patrolling that keeps big programs within the good graces of the NCAA. In UGA's most recent turn in - Matt Stafford had received 2 sideline passes for the Broncos/Falcons game last year. He got them from Jay Cutler, someone not affiliated with the program.

The NCAA talked to J-Cut, he admitted it and no harm was done. Stafford donated the cost of the tickets to the Athens Boys and Girls club.
 
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Nutriaitch;1497448; said:
Like [strike]UGA and[/strike] LSU did to Georgia Tech last year?
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Give us a month to rest/heal/prepare and I feel confident our defense would have been able to limit the Jackets.

On the complimentary side - with LSU's talent level on defense, giving them a month to prepare for anyone is a kiss of death.
 
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JCOSU86;1497559; said:
That's "Shakespeare" and English writer from the 16th century for our Southern vistors.



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Bullshit. William Shakespeare played left halfback for Ntre Ame from '33-'35. The S.O.B. made a play that cost tOSU what probably would have been their first MNC.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUB1t7lg7DA"]YouTube - 1935: ND vs. Ohio State - Shakespeare to Millner[/ame]
 
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