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2008 vs. 2002 Position by Position Comparison (QB)

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Todd Boeckman or Craig Krenzel

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Best Buckeye;1204170; said:
I am only arguing your contention that Craig and the team was lucky. If Uc didn't have the talent to make those catches then it wasn't luck but talent.
The Buckeyes on the other hand had the talent to come back from behind and win the game. That wasn't luck, but talent and heart.
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The WR's clearly have the talent to catch footballs. If we were playing a game of odds I say they catch those more times than not. I'll go a step further and say they SHOULD have caught those balls being a WR at the D-1 level. Just because they dropped them doesn't mean they didn't have the talent. That would qualify as "luck" in my opinion.
 
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OSUBuckeye4Life;1204173; said:
The WR's clearly have the talent to catch footballs. If we were playing a game of odds I say they catch those more times than not. I'll go a step further and say they SHOULD have caught those balls being a WR at the D-1 level. Just because they dropped them doesn't mean they didn't have the talent. That would qualify as "luck" in my opinion.
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Those WR's clearly didn't have the talent to catch those particular passes, otherwise they would have caught them. IMO what ever the reason that they didn't was a fault in their ability either mental or physical. It wasn't bad "luck"
 
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Best Buckeye;1204174; said:
Those WR's clearly didn't have the talent to catch those particular passes, otherwise they would have caught them. IMO what ever the reason that they didn't was a fault in their ability either mental or physical. It wasn't bad "luck"
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Question. You are racing someone clearly faster than you. They pull up lame with a hamstring injury and you win. That isn't lucky? That was just their inability to stretch/train properly for the race?

Now I see what you are saying. Maybe their nerves got the best of them. Problem with that is the word "maybe." It's a hypothetical. What we KNOW is that D-1 WR's make those catches more often than not. That was my point. I consider it "lucky" that they didn't. If you feel it was because they didn't have the "talent" then I can see where you are coming from but I respectfully disagree.

I just don't like the idea of using one or two passes as a microcosm of a skill set. I've seen Ginn drop screen passes but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the skill set to catch a screen pass. Reading anymore into than that is reaching IMO.
 
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OSUBuckeye4Life;1204185; said:
A bit OT.

Do you even believe in luck?



What is it then?
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No I don't believe in luck. I would have to say it is physics. All performance can be explained with it. Every action taken by a person is influenced by his mental and physical state achieved by his prepartion and his state at the moment of the action and each effort is different . so when the UC wr's missed the pass was it because the Qb threw the pass 1/2 inch further out or behind or in front of the receiver, or did the receiver take a wrong angle or turn 1/2 inch too soon or too late or just take his eye off the ball ?
Who can say but something was not perfect and luck had nothing to do with it.
 
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Best Buckeye;1204190; said:
No I don't believe in luck. I would have to say it is physics. All performance can be explained with it. Every action taken by a person is influenced by his mental and physical state achieved by his prepartion and his state at the moment of the action and each effort is different . so when the UC wr's missed the pass was it because the Qb threw the pass 1/2 inch further out or behind or in front of the receiver, or did the receiver take a wrong angle or turn 1/2 inch too soon or too late or just take his eye off the ball ?
Who can say but something was not perfect and luck had nothing to do with it.
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I can respect that. I just wish you would have made it known you didn't believe in it about 5-6 posts ago and we could have saved the site from having to read this back and forth. :wink2:
 
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OSUBuckeye4Life;1204192; said:
I can respect that. I just wish you would have made it known you didn't believe in it about 5-6 posts ago and we could have saved the site from having to read this back and forth. :wink2:
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1. I did say it wasn't luck back then.
2. we wouldn't have had all the fun with this debate. :tongue2:
 
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OSUBuckeye4Life;1204168; said:
You are right, but I think you are naive to think he wasn't "lucky." Again the Cincy drops and the MoC strip are two examples. I don't want this to come off like I'm trying to bash Craig because I'm not. He was a damn fine QB.
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No QB plays a season and doesn't have a few passes that could have been INT's dropped.

Last year in the UW game TB had at least two gift INT's dropped that would have had serious consequences had they held on.

If we are going to play the what if game play it for both guys. TB is even farther behind CK if we lose that early game to UW beacuse he goes on a INT bender.

Bottom line is you can only compare what each guy did as a JR. There is no comparison bewteen how CK came through in so many big situations and how poorly TB played in the Illinois and LSU losses.

Krenzel had 7 INTs for the entire 14 game season, TB had 6 in two losses and 14 for the season.
 
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Jaxbuck;1204200; said:
No QB plays a season and doesn't have a few passes that could have been INT's dropped.

Last year in the UW game TB had at least two gift INT's dropped that would have had serious consequences had they held on.

If we are going to play the what if game play it for both guys. TB is even farther behind CK if we lose that early game to UW beacuse he goes on a INT bender.

Bottom line is you can only compare what each guy did as a JR. There is no comparison bewteen how CK came through in so many big situations and how poorly TB played in the Illinois and LSU losses.

Krenzel had 7 INTs for the entire 14 game season, TB had 6 in two losses and 14 for the season.
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The difference is the average QB doesn't have the magical season CK had erased if they don't drop those passes. BTW, I was talking about the TD passes the Cincy WR's dropped, not any pass by CK.

With all that said Boeckman had a better statistical year than Krenzel. He threw 7 more picks than CK but he threw 13 more TD's. You can throw in a higher completion % and a higher passing effieciency. Even with all that I STILL picked CK.

I agree that the it goes both ways. The difference in the comparison you made IMO is that if one of those TD catches is completed we don't have a 2002 NC. If Boeckman throws those two picks, well he MIGHT have gone on that INT bender you speak of.
 
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Best Buckeye;1204210; said:
You did well to pick Ck because he had the best stat of all MORE WINS!.
And neither luck Or magic had anything to do with it.
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Another reason why I picked him. Although I think if you transplant the 2002 defensive line on last years team and we are talking about two NC QB's.

Ah...to dream.
 
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OSUBuckeye4Life;1204207; said:
I agree that the it goes both ways. The difference in the comparison you made IMO is that if one of those TD catches is completed we don't have a 2002 NC. If Boeckman throws those two picks, well he MIGHT have gone on that INT bender you speak of.
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Cincy's WR's dropping or catching has zero to do with comparing CK and TB as Jr's.

CK was better because in close/big games, he was called on to beat the other team with called pass plays and he consistently did it either by completeing the pass or a big run. It went far beyond the myth of the mediocre game manager that has grown up around CK.

TB on the other hand not only couldn't be even an effective game manager in the close/big ones, he went south and started hurting us with TO's.

The difference in their respective big game performances at the same point in their careers is night and day.
 
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