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2008 vs. 2002 Position by Position Comparison (QB)

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Todd Boeckman or Craig Krenzel

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OSUBuckeye4Life;1204127; said:
The UC game?

You mean the game where UC dropped a COUPLE of INT's that would have sealed the game?

I love Krenzel as much as the next man but the UC game is NOT one to use as an example.
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Craig didn't play defense so I fail to see how that equates.
 
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Craig Krenzel under pressure when the blitz was coming and the pocket was collapsing rarely got happy feet, and either used his legs and body to get yards, or threw the ball away, or threw the ball for a completion.

TB under pressure when the blitz was coming and the pocket was collapsing had happy feet and took far too many sacks and threw far too many 'prayers' that ended up as INTs.

Krenzel had 'it'. Todd doesn't have 'it' YET! Will he this year? If he grows up, steps up, and trusts his O-line and his recievers, then yes.
 
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OSUBuckeye4Life;1204135; said:
Edit. I have this backwards. I'm an idiot. :(

Craig, IMO, was still the product of quite a bit of "luck." As they say though...it's better to be lucky than good. Boeckman has the better skill set (good) but I'll take Craig (lucky).
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That's just it . Craig wasn't lucky, he made his own luck.
 
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Best Buckeye;1204148; said:
That's just it . Craig wasn't lucky, he made his own luck.
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That goes right back to the Cincy game then.

Cincy WR's dropping those passes wasn't Craig. Granted, Craig got them the lead late so I can "kinda" see where you are coming from.

I think the Miami game takes a different turn with the Krenzel INT in the endzone had MoC not stripped the ball and got it back.

..for example.
 
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OSUBuckeye4Life;1204149; said:
That goes right back to the Cincy game then.

Cincy WR's dropping those passes wasn't Craig. Granted, Craig got them the lead late so I can "kinda" see where you are coming from.

I think the Miami game takes a different turn with the Krenzel INT in the endzone had MoC not stripped the ball and got it back.

..for example.
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So really , the TEAM was lucky that UC dropped the passes not just Craig.
Btw UC wasn't unlucky either , they didn't have the talent to catch those passes apparently. While I'm at it just what were Craig's stats for that game? Just what did he do or fail to do?
 
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Best Buckeye;1204152; said:
So really , the TEAM was lucky that UC dropped the passes not just Craig.
Btw UC wasn't unlucky either , they didn't have the talent to catch those passes apparently. While I'm at it just what were Craig's stats for that game? Just what did he do or fail to do?
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I didn't think I needed to state the team as well, I figured that was assumed. My mistake. Since the thread was about Craig I stuck with just him, but you are right...the TEAM was lucky. Just as that teams legacy would be quite different had one of those catches been made, so would Craigs.

His numbers:
Krenzel was 14-of-29 for 129 yards with two TDs and two
interceptions.
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Best Buckeye;1204157; said:
And his grade for leadership? And Poise? Craig was the one who held that team together all year.
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Where did I say he didn't have those qualities? You may have missed the first post I made in here where I said I'd take Craig. Those two qualities are reasons why I would. As I said before I think Boeckman is EASILY the more complete passer but if that were only it.

Again, Craig had some "luck" that year. The TEAM did as well, but this thread isn't about the team.
 
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You don't consistently do your part when called upon in critical situation after critical situation like CK did because you are lucky.


Jr year to JR year there simply is no comparison between CK and TB.
 
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Jaxbuck;1204161; said:
You don't consistently do your part when called upon in critical situation after critical situation like CK did because you are lucky.


Jr year to JR year there simply is no comparison between CK and TB.
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You are right, but I think you are naive to think he wasn't "lucky." Again the Cincy drops and the MoC strip are two examples. I don't want this to come off like I'm trying to bash Craig because I'm not. He was a damn fine QB.

FWIW, if last years team had the 2002 defensive line I think we win the NC. If that would have happened I think this debate would be much harder for some.

Best Buckeye;1204163; said:
Sorry I was asking you his grade for those qualities for the Uc game
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I give that man an A+ in those areas and would in probably 90%+ of that season from what I can remember off the top of my head.
 
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I am only arguing your contention that Craig and the team was lucky. If Uc didn't have the talent to make those catches then it wasn't luck but talent.
The Buckeyes on the other hand had the talent to come back from behind and win the game. That wasn't luck, but talent and heart.
 
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