2008 vs. 2002 Position by Position Comparison (OL corps)

[Jaxbuck]

Don't forget Datish! Coop and JT did a great job, and with Brewster coming next, we're looking at a great 10 year run.

I knew I forgot someone.

Datish is a great example of what I'm talking about when I say high school hype is fine but lest wait untill they do something on the field.

He was considered one of the gems of the OL in that '02 class and while he had a decent career I distinctly remember a lot of people being suprised when he wasn't in the 2 deep as a true frosh. The hype was that he was going to be a great one and we needed live bodies to round out a 2 deep so his redshirting came as quite a suprise to many including yours truely.

You just never can tell, thats why its so hard for me to vote for the "potential" on these '02 vs '08 polls.

 

[Best Buckeye]

Here's the way look at it. The 02 line played against a team that had four or five of the best position players in the country and won.
the 08 team got their butt handed to them last year in the NC game. I can't give them credit for being better until they do it.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Here's the way look at it. The 02 line played against a team that had four or five of the best position players in the country and won.
the 08 team got their butt handed to them last year in the NC game. I can't give them credit for being better until they do it.

We did not win the NC because of the 02 O-Line. We won it in spite of them.

This year, if we win the NC it will have to be because of the O-Line at least in part; because it won't be because of the D-Line to the extent that it was in 02.

Fortunately, this O-Line appears to be up to the job.

 

[Best Buckeye]

We did not win the NC because of the 02 O-Line. We won it in spite of them.

This year, if we win the NC it will have to be because of the O-Line at least in part; because it won't be because of the D-Line to the extent that it was in 02.

Fortunately, this O-Line appears to be up to the job.

Again, I'm not going to give them credit until they deserve it , not before.

How much potential did Clifford have?

 

[Oh8ch]

Here's the way look at it. The 02 line played against a team that had four or five of the best position players in the country and won.
the 08 team got their butt handed to them last year in the NC game. I can't give them credit for being better until they do it.

So the 2002 team is superior at every position?

BTW, What number was Dorsey wearing for Miami?

 

[Best Buckeye]

Dorsey wore 11. No Beanie is better than Clarett, for one.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Boone and Browning(my MVP of the scarlet and gray game) are going to be our best set of tackles since Korey Stringer and Orlando Pace suited up. Rehring has the potential to dominate. Just depends how he recovers from his injury and how good of shape he's in. Cordle could arguably be the Big-10's best center this year(though Shipley from PSU is more likely to get 1st team All-Big 10) and Person should improve a lot. But above all that, we have depth!!!! We don't have walk-on's littered across the 2-deep and 3-deep. That is a huge bonus. Needless to say, I have high expectations for this group. '08 in a landslide.

i stopped reading after you said two prennial all pros and if one hadnt died two hall of famers. those may have been the best tow tackles to play college football on one offensive line. no sarcasm, no winks, no nods. dead serious.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Again, I'm not going to give them credit until they deserve it , not before.

How much potential did Clifford have?

As I already posted, the 4 coming back were better in 07 than the starting 5 were in 02... Not based on potential, based on the results of last year.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

i stopped reading after you said two prennial all pros and if one hadnt died two hall of famers. those may have been the best tow tackles to play college football on one offensive line. no sarcasm, no winks, no nods. dead serious.

Maybe you should reread it then. I said "since".

Here's the way look at it. The 02 line played against a team that had four or five of the best position players in the country and won.
the 08 team got their butt handed to them last year in the NC game. I can't give them credit for being better until they do it.

Put Krenzel behind the '07 line and see how much better they look.

 

[jwinslow]

Put Krenzel behind the '07 line and see how much better they look.

Not all that much, without the '02 DL. I know what you're saying, but I think Todd would look a lot better if he only needed 0-1 td passes to win most games.

 

[Dryden]

Not all that much, without the '02 DL. I know what you're saying, but I think Todd would look a lot better if he only needed 0-1 td passes to win most games.

Agree here. Apples and Oranges.

Can't really compare the two until you make Todd run majority 2 TE/Jumbo or have Krenzel run 3 and 4 WR spreads.

Todd takes more sacks, but he's asked to stand in there and do a lot more too. He has that opportunity because this line gives him a few seconds to throw, Todd just needs to take advantage of that.

The one thing I keep thinking about with the O-Lines from 01-03 were all the damn false start penalties. Those guys didn't make it easy for Krenzel giving him 1st and 15 or 1st and 20 at least once every other series. Olivea had me contemplating throwing my remote through the TV on more than one occasion. A game.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

...The one thing I keep thinking about with the O-Lines from 01-03 were all the damn false start penalties. Those guys didn't make it easy for Krenzel giving him 1st and 15 at least once every other series. Olivea had me contemplating throwing my remote through the TV on more than one occasion. A game.

I haven't watched a game from 02 in a while so correct me if I'm wrong; but isn't it possible that the false start penalties were BS calls? With their guts and back fat blowing in the breeze, the officials probably just got confused.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Not all that much, without the '02 DL. I know what you're saying, but I think Todd would look a lot better if he only needed 0-1 td passes to win most games.

Not sure if I quite understand. Are you saying a lot of Todd's sacks could be attributed to him feeling the pressure of being behind or something along those lines? My point is Krenzel showed just how well he could run against a fast(probably faster than LSU's) Cryami defense. Yeah, he looked pretty bad passing but I think he would've done a much better job of either getting rid of the ball, stepping up in the pocket, or scrambling for positive yardage than Todd did thus making the OL look better.

 

[jwinslow]

Craig may have made our current OL look better at times by escaping breakdowns better, but would it change the outcome of games against teams like LSU, when OSU needed 30 pts? Craig was very clutch and generally responsible with the football, but I think he would have come up short against LSU as well, with the current OL.

I think Cordle has the talent to be another strong OC at OSU, but has not realized that yet (definitely still time to do so). He's a different category than Person whose ceiling is not as high, imo.

It is certainly exciting to watch this seasoned OL develop with tremendous potential nipping at their heels, fighting for their spots. If the interior OL & DL step up to 'consistent & good' this could be a special year. If they stay where they were, I don't believe all the 28's, 33's, etc in the world will be able to overcome the struggles up the gut against premiere talent.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Craig may have made our current OL look better at times by escaping breakdowns better, but would it change the outcome of games against teams like LSU, when OSU needed 30 pts? Craig was very clutch and generally responsible with the football, but I think he would have come up short against LSU as well, with the current OL.

I agree 100%. Didn't mean to imply we would've won with CK because I don't believe we would've.