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2008 Big Ten Football discussion

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Best Buckeye;1237036; said:
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If you're so unimpressed, why bother responding?

The point is a good one. Wisconsin has had QB's play way over their heads against OSU for what seems like forever. Eventually, their luck will run out; which is another way of saying that luck doesn't exist. Unlikely trends happen; but they end. Wisconsin is over-due for a brutal beating when they least expect it.

Here's hoping it comes this year.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;1237141; said:
If you're so unimpressed, why bother responding?

The point is a good one. Wisconsin has had QB's play way over their heads against OSU for what seems like forever. Eventually, their luck will run out; which is another way of saying that luck doesn't exist. Unlikely trends happen; but they end. Wisconsin is over-due for a brutal beating when they least expect it.

Here's hoping it comes this year.
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Good point but do you really believe that Wiscy has been "lucky" for that long and that their luck will run out?
Chances are that they recruit within their system for the type of Qb they want and they get them and then they train them in their system and therefore their "luck" will never run out.
And we should not depend on them to lose their luck in order for us to win, Instead we should prepare for the games with them and depend on our players and coaches to win the games not have them handed to us.
So I could care less if their luck runs out or not.
And so in that vein I stand firmly behind my "meh".
 
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Best Buckeye;1237154; said:
Good point but do you really believe that Wiscy has been "lucky" for that long and that their luck will run out?
Chances are that they recruit within their system for the type of Qb they want and they get them and then they train them in their system and therefore their "luck" will never run out.
And we should not depend on them to lose their luck in order for us to win, Instead we should prepare for the games with them and depend on our players and coaches to win the games not have them handed to us.
So I could care less if their luck runs out or not.
And so in that vein I stand firmly behind my "meh".
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Semantics.

My "luck" = your definition of a guy who plays well in their system.

Thus my comments about making TO's and missing on critical throws. Their system requires a QB who can beat you when you use 8 men to stop the run, its sounds easy but its not always the case. One of these years they will name a starter who isn't capable. They are due.

Even if this isn't the year and their QB is solid I think we are more than able to just go up there and beat their best shot. I agree with DBB, it feels a bit like PSU last year where we are just due to have one of those games that clearly illustrates the talent difference in the two teams.
 
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I just contend that luck has nothing to do with it. Talent, preparation and hard work win. While you implied that someday their luck would run out. I don't think that you could find a player on either our team or theirs that think their Luck will run out.
 
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Best Buckeye;1237185; said:
I just contend that luck has nothing to do with it. Talent, preparation and hard work win. While you implied that someday their luck would run out. I don't think that you could find a player on either our team or theirs that think their Luck will run out.
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I contend that you can prepare as hard, long and well as you want to and if you continue to replace a moving cog in the machine every year, sooner or later one will be substandard. As long as there is a mathmatical chance of an occurance, given a large enough sample size, the event will happen.

UW has reached into their bag 'o QB's and pulled out a winner for the past 20 years it seems. They are due to reach in and pull out a dud even in the limited role they have for a QB. If that is luck or not is, again, a case of semantics.

In 1999 OSU had a ton of talented players who worked realy hard and prepared to the best of their abilities. We went to plug in our next QB and found the replacement parts to be lacking to say the least. We were unlucky in the sense that no QB on the roster was capable of simply executing the offense in our system, which at the time wasn't very different from UW's.

I will agree that the better your talent, the harder you work and the more you prepare for any contengency the "luckier" you get. That said, there is no doubt in my mind of the presence of random chance/luck in any human endevor.
 
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CPD
Doug Lesmerises' five predictions about Big Ten football

by Doug Lesmerises Monday August 25, 2008, 9:12 PM


1. Michigan State will open the year with a tough win at Cal, then beat Notre Dame and roll through an otherwise soft early schedule to enter Ohio Stadium undefeated at 7-0 on Oct. 18. A loss by the Spartans to the Buckeyes and in their rivalry game to Michigan the following week will spark talk of yet another MSU late-season collapse, but a program-defining win over Wisconsin will turn them around and head the Spartans toward a shocking 10-win regular season.
2. Penn State will lose at home to Oregon State, then open the Big Ten season with a loss at home to Illinois that will begin a three-game losing streak and a free fall. The effects of a tumultuous off-season off the field will affect the locker room, and Joe Paterno will lose his team and miss a bowl in what turns out to be his final season.

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Uh, Doug, you missed prediction #1 already. The MSU game is in East Lansing this year. The CPD has now corrected the statement in its online article.

Doug Lesmerises' five predictions about Big Ten football

by Doug Lesmerises Monday August 25, 2008, 9:12 PM

1. Michigan State will open the year with a tough win at Cal, then beat Notre Dame and roll through an otherwise soft early schedule to enter Ohio Stadium undefeated at 7-0 on Oct. 18
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BB73;1238824; said:
Uh, Doug, you missed prediction #1 already. The MSU game is in East Lansing this year. The CPD has now corrected the statement in its online article.
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Lesmerises got the facts wrong in a CPD article?

Stop the presses!

No, seriously. Stop the presses. Just shut the Plain Dealer down. They blow.

And send Bruce Hooley back there. He blows too.
 
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Penn State will lose at home to Oregon State
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What do you think of that prediction Bob?

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yeah, me too.
 
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ESPN - Penn State to start Clark at QB in Saturday's opener - College Football
Penn State to start Clark at QB in Saturday's opener

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Daryll Clark will start at quarterback for Penn State when the 22nd-ranked Nittany Lions open the season Saturday.

Coach Joe Paterno said Clark's experience and good preseason gave him the edge over Pat Devlin. Paterno says Clark, Devlin and third-stringer Paul Cianciolo have each practiced well the past three weeks.

The 6-2, 231-pound Clark turned in an impressive performance in the Alamo Bowl, helping rally Penn State to a win against Texas A&M. His combination of size and speed seems to fit Penn State's new offense, the Spread HD, but Paterno doesn't discount Clark's ability as a passer, which will be key as the Lions return three senior wide receivers.

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