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2006 DB Depth

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Bestbuck36

Bestbuck36

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    • Grad21 or Alan or others:

    It appears that we aren't in on as many DB's this season nationally as we usually are. Do you guys think that our current DB depth is hindering that or is it just early?

    I hate to see so many athletes listing SCum/scUM this time of year. From my understanding it appears we are pretty deep at the CB position as far as numbers and the safeties are dependant upon where JamO plays and early NFL entries. I'm not overly concerned that we won't sign any just wondering what the recruits takes may be thus far concerning tOSU.
     
    OSU is in on a lot of "athletes" who may play DB - Devin Parrish from Florida (strong interest in the Bucks); Glenville's Raymond Small (a Buckeye lean?); a pair of top Georgia prospects, Asher Allen and D'Vontrey Richardson (both rather long shots); Pennsylvania's Dorin Dickerson (who likes the Bucks even though he doesn't have an offer yet; he would make an excellent free safety in my opinion); and New Jersey's Antwine Perez (another long shot). Of the more "traditional" DB's, Ohioan Kurt Coleman has an offer and seems to be a Buckeye lean; fellow Ohioans Cody Blevins and Peris Edwards (both safeties, neither offered) might get a look, as might CB prospects Robert Williams and Jovani Chappel. All in all, it is rather a down year for in-state DB's. If the Bucks could land Small, Parrish, and Coleman, they'd be fine; Dickerson would be some serious icing on the cake.

    Also, keep these names in mind - Akeem Hebron from Maryland and Marcus Ball from Georgia. Both are small LB's who run like lightning and hit like thunder; each could move to safety in college. They remind us of Freddie Lenix in terms of size, speed, and bone-crunching hits. Both have legit interest in OSU.
     
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    I see where you are coming from Mili, but I don't count Athletes in this category. Sure some of the guys listed at athlete play DB but I'm looking at players that primarily play Corner Back or Safety.


    In that case there are 26 recruits interested in tOSU. Of those 26 with interest: 2 are high interest, 23 are medium interest, and 1 is low interest. Unless there is a big change the low interest is probably not going to be an option.

    Of the two with high interest only one has been offered. Very good possibility there.

    Out of 23 with medium interest only 3 have been offered. Doesn't look that promising out of those guys.

    Of course the low interest recruit has an offer.

    My point was that most of the DB's we are targeting seem to be athletes and WR converts. This does not mean its a bad thing I would just like to see us "in" on more of the definite DB recruits like we usually are. I also know that we always find a gem at summer camp. Those posters, that get to talk to the recruits during interviews, or listen to them speak were who I was trying to get at. I just wanted to try and get an overall feel for how the recruits were considering our DB situation.
     
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    Bestbuck36 said:
    I see where you are coming from Mili, but I don't count Athletes in this category. Sure some of the guys listed at athlete play DB but I'm looking at players that primarily play Corner Back or Safety.
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    Uh, I'm looking at 33 players that are specifically listed as either "DB", "CB", or "S".
     
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    goodguy said:
    I'm still concerned about our depth of true cover corners. We've got way to many saftey types.
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    Are you trying to be ignorant? Look at the list. There are eight prospects who play nothing but corner on defense, another plays both CB and S, and 17 listed as DB. Only nine play strictly S on defense (along with three that play S and LB, and one ATH and S). And it's only mid-May. We'll have tons of corners to pick from.

    By the way, defense has two corners and two safties on the field. :roll1: You want a balance of both.
     
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    LordJeffBuck said:
    That's what Mili and I tires to accomplish - apparently, we haven't succeeded to your satisfaction. You could always try another site....
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    LJB- A little touchy aren't you?



    Mili- Only 27 of the recruits on the list you created have DB, CB or S listed as their primary position. If they have an offensive position listed first, I took that as the position they would be recruited most heavily for in college.

    Again, I was trying to get the opinion of those posters with actual contact with some of these recruits to share any info. they might have gotten from conversation regarding their possible commitments and our current roster. As I don't know everyone personally who might have gotten to speak to these guys other than Alan or grad21, I didn't PM those posters.
     
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    Look, ace, we tried in good faith to answer your "question", which in reality was merely a disguised "shot" at Ohio State's recruiting efforts (in May, nonetheless). If you want to gripe about the Buckeyes' alleged inability to recruit defensive back prospects this season (however misguided such a tact might be), you may certainly do so (within limits) on this board. However, do not presume to ask us a question, and then essentially tell us that we are full of crap when we do not answer in the manner which you desired. We are not going to tell you that the sky is falling when it is not. If you want doom and gloom, please consider the Bucknuts recruiting board. If we are not "expert" enough for you, then refer your "questions" to Duane Long or Bill Kurelic.
     
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    Bestbuck36 said:
    Mili- Only 27 of the recruits on the list you created have DB, CB or S listed as their primary position. If they have an offensive position listed first, I took that as the position they would be recruited most heavily for in college.
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    First of all, Einstein, the list that I created wasn't something created by me per se but rather is a compilation of data taken from threads provided by dedicated members such as LordJeffBuck, Highstreet, bucknuts44820, BuckNutty, Buckskin86, wadc45, BGriffBuckeye, osugrad21, BuckeyeFROMscUM, and sears3820, who all have started threads on multiple players each and have provided updates on those players as they find them. And that list has direct links to every single one of those threads. So the credit goes to them, not me.

    As for which position is listed first, that doesn't always mean the first-listed position is their primary position...many prospects play 50-50. It all depends on who loads the data at Rivals and/or Scout as to which position is listed first.



    Bestbuck36 said:
    Again, I was trying to get the opinion of those posters with actual contact with some of these recruits to share any info. they might have gotten from conversation regarding their possible commitments and our current roster...
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    As I said above, the recruit list has direct links the each player's thread which is where you'll find the most up-to-date info on him.
     
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    MililaniBuckeye said:
    Are you trying to be ignorant? Look at the list. There are eight prospects who play nothing but corner on defense, another plays both CB and S, and 17 listed as DB. Only nine play strictly S on defense (along with three that play S and LB, and one ATH and S). And it's only mid-May. We'll have tons of corners to pick from.

    By the way, defense has two corners and two safties on the field. :roll1: You want a balance of both.
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    Always so disagreeable. I wish I got a dollar for every post of yours that started off with "uhh" or least had the theme of you telling others that they are wrong (Your act is sooooo played my friend). Growing up near Cleveland I used to listen to sports talk radio, specifically Pete Franklin. Good old Pete dubbed certain callers "Mr. Know it All", I think that is an appropriate title for you as well :crazy: .

    Wow, 2 Cb's and 2 safties, that's a new concept to me :roll1:

    Ok guy, here's what I'm thinking. Why don't we try to discuss this in an adult like fashion. Name calling ("ignorant" and "Mr. Know it all") is a waste of time. So put down the steroids for a moment and try being a little more pleasant.

    Here's what I think.
    First the sky is not falling, I never feel that way about anything. Our beloved Buckeyes will do just fine this upcoming season as they will always find a way to win. However I have an OPINION that we could use a few more natural cover corners. Now stay with me here, having this opinion does not mean I'm asking for Tressel's resignation. Repeat that in your head a couple of times. Eventually you will see that is OK to have some constructive criticism (based on opinion) of our Buckeyes (well, you do get this concept, but it doesn't appy to others, it only applys to you). And after all opinions are like *$$holes, everyone has one and everyone thinks others stink.

    Ok here's what I've based my opinion on.
    1. Sally, Whitner, Everett, Mitchell and Lukens are safties. I'm sure in a real pinch some of them like Whitner and Everett could slide over to CB, but that would not be ideal. In fact Everett is moving to CB this fall despite the fact that he has played safty his first 3 years at OSU. I like Everett, he's a true football player, however I question his durability and whether he can make the trasition to CB. The Whitner to CB experiment only worked for about a week during Spring Practice. Do I think he could play there in a pinch....yes. Do I think he want's to play CB......NO. Do I think he is suited for CB....NO. (Hope everyone likes the Coach Tressel speak).
    2. Roberts, listed as a CB, is entering his fourth season with the bucks and hasn't shown much yet. I doubt he's much better than a nickel back or a special teams standout. I hope I'm wrong.
    3. Recent news is indicating the Underwoods, both CB's are back in the fold. However I'm not holding my breath, EJ still has the summer to make it through. How is it that this guy is taking classes and training in Arizona? Sorry, but he needs to be with the team here in Columbus. I guess we will fly him in for the games :!. The jury is still out on Brandon as he does not have any game experience but the apple does not fall far from the tree. Presently I do not have faith in either of these two til they show me something different.
    4. The jury is still out on Patterson, Jenkins and Washington who are listed as safties. I don't know if any of these guys have the ability to slide over to corner and either do you.
    5. Youboty, Welch, Lane and Ginn. The only question about Youboty is whether he will have a good enough season to go pro early. The guy is a stud. I like what I've heard about Welch, the guy has a nose for the ball. I think with a little seasoning he will do just fine. Same can be said about Ginn, the ability is clearly there but the transition with a little bit of seasoning might take a few games (Ginn will more likely stay on offense) Lane is a scrappy player with great athletic heritage. However I have a feeling he is suited to be a nickel back and not a starter at CB.
    6. Finally, everybody is counting on J.Oneal to move to CB. However I think this stud of an athlete is much more suited to play safty. His game against Manningham MAY be an indication of that. I know it's only one game but you can't discount it. Secondly and more importantly, D. Long has said O'neal may grow out of the CB position. I think he's right.

    Ok let me summarize. I think we are in good hands with Youboty, there's one CB spot locked up. I also think we could be in good hands with Welch and Ginn assuming a transition period of about 3 or more games. After that I don't feel so easy about what we have. I don't think Everett is suited for CB and I don't think EJ can hold it together for a full season (I hope they both prove me wrong). The rest of the guys have no game experience or are not suited to play CB. So where are we at if Youboty is injured early in the season? That question alone concerns me. Yes losing a player to injury at any position is concerning, but I feel better about our options at other position more than I do at CB. Being able to play CB takes a different athlete. Just because a player is listed as a DB doesn't mean they can play CB.

    Ok that's my opinion presented, and remember my original statement was questioning the DEPTH of our CBs. So don't change the topic as you often do Milli. Also make sure you read my post completly, because I don't think you always do. You have a tendacy to repeat what others already said in your response.

    Uhh....Enjoy the Islands, I wish I was there.
    Goodguy
     
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    Duane Long says that J O'Neal may outgrow corner back to put doubts in people's heads.. it helps keep people reading articles about J O'Neal that you may have otherwise not read as you already know everything you need to know about him.

    The CB position is more about the hips, than the size.. unless he gets to 240lbs, or gets a beer belly like Homer Simpson, I wouldn't count him as outgrowing the CB position.
     
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    LloydSev said:
    Duane Long says that J O'Neal may outgrow corner back to put doubts in people's heads.. it helps keep people reading articles about J O'Neal that you may have otherwise not read as you already know everything you need to know about him.

    The CB position is more about the hips, than the size.. unless he gets to 240lbs, or gets a beer belly like Homer Simpson, I wouldn't count him as outgrowing the CB position.
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    I don't know everything Lloyd. Fine maybe he won't outgrow the position, I hope I'm wrong. Regardless do you think he's ready to start the first game at CB? How about the second? We don't know do WE.
     
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