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You assume incorrectly. Your memory does not mesh with mine, nor does it mess with the newpaper and magazine article I read from the period. The UPI poll was highly suspect due to funny coaches vote. A good example was Illinois getting voted into the UPI final poll after a 2-7 season.

I didn't miss the point, I was a little baffled how someone could prove my point so thoroughly and yet an attitude as if they are proving me wrong, so I responded neutrally. You see, it doesn't matter to me or to the rest of the world that the wrong person got credited with something because...

That's why I said. The schools keep their stats and they pass them on to the NCAA for inclusion in their yearly record book. The NCAA officially keeps NCAA records. The official word comes from the school. Records come from the NCAA. Were you not paying attention?

No worries there. You started a topic and we are having fun with it (at least I am).

The NCAA got their information from Texas. I doubt the Senate got the info from the NCAA. Yes, I like to argue. It stirs things up. If it's not your thing feel free to pass on it. Don't expect me to accept a bunch of hooey, just because a bunch of message board geeks (of which I am one)...

Good advice. None of them will admit they are wrong, so just ignoring them in the future is good thinking. :)

You may want to tell the NCAA that they've been publishing the wrong information for years then. The problem is is that they don't seem to think they are wrong. Maybe they just need you to convince them that.

Um, they all got their information from Texas. Apparently they all agree that Texas is the organization to ask for the answers to these questions.

So, if we can't tell who's got more wins or a higher winning percentage, what's the point of this thread in the first place?

In lack of a direct quote in meaning what "titles" they were talking about, I really can't address that. Granted, but where did they get the 786 number they were using? Just who do they deem "credible"?

And that stassen in the place you can even find these games are "forfeited" means they are all forfeited, eh? Oh, yeah. I've got the US Senate, University of Texas, the NCAA, and ABC on my side, you've got some guy with a website.

So you're saying they got this one wrong?

We've been having lots of fun. :) Thanks.

Look, when Michigan played Texas in the Rose Bowl a year or so back, ABC showed that Nebraska and Texas were ties at 786 wins. Texas won and in their 2005 Record Book the NCAA showed Texas with 787 wins and Nebraska with 786. Stassen shows both win more wins. Where is ABC getting their...

You notice the NCAA doesn't list any games. In other cases the do. So which games are "forfeited"? None are listed, none got forfeited.

Maybe there's a misunderstanding. As was pointed out and I really saw no point in repeat was that nobody will ever know that "truth" of it all. Too many lost records and disputes to do that. However, if you are going to measure these things you HAVE to start somewhere. So what are we going...

Frankly, 'ad hoc' sites make more mistakes (understandably) and put their own personal opinion into it. While the NCAA's methods of record keeping can be said to be their opinion, it's still the opinion of the official organization.

I equate official to being official. "Truthful" does not matter to me. You've got to have SOME standard, and I'll go by the NCAA and it's members.

I'm sorry, I wasn't talking about championships. We can all agree that how championships are counted are screwy. I was asked if I would count Ohio State's in 1961 and I said yes, because it's one of the NCAA's main polls, that doesn't mean I take any count of national championships real...

Having read some period pieces on the subject, I'll tell you that the Football Writers held more weight than the UPI poll did in the 60s. The UPI poll was known for some strange voting. Take Illinois in 1962. Ranked #20 with a 2-7 record. Because these are the standard today does not mean...