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This may have already been mentioned in one of the numerous places discussing this, but I don't think it's any coincidence that Hoke's policy changed the week after he got it handed to him by Meyer. I'm guessing there was a moment after the game where he realized that not only did he need all...

I think those are shape ups. Must be trying to improve that calorie consumption.

I'm late to the "Ohio" discussion, but I'll try to give an middle ground opinion. I get Max's point that Ohio has/is used by people in reference to OSU without meaning any disrespect. I see the script "Ohio" shirts, the band does script "Ohio", and somebody referenced the O-H-I-O chant, so it's...

I didn't read anything over there, but this was actually what crossed my mind when I read that he didn't talk to the staff. I don't follow recruiting a lot, but I figured with the situation here there would have been an effort for the staff and Conley to meet up at Saturday. Glad to see Ohio...

I don't want to bring the guy's wife into it, I'm sure she's a nice lady, but I just saw that her maiden name was Homberger. I can imagine the disappointed look on his face when she showed up for the first date...

Touche. Was born and raised in Fostoria so I wasn't trying to come off as an elitist.

That's the pride of Fostoria, Ohio so it's good to see a local kid get something. Unfortunately it doesn't take much to be the pride of that town. Are the coach's votes disclosed like they are in the polls? Would be curious to see how Butthead and some of the others voted.

Reading through the comments on that article, someone mentions that RichRod was interviewed before the 2010 bowl game and made it a point to say that Gardner felt great and could've played. I don't have the ambition or care to look into it, just interesting. Also, I wonder how Morris feels...

Here's an article on it if you can stand the click espn stuff. tsun is saying that a "miscommunication" is the reason it took 2 years for them to decide to file the redshirt. Says they fully expect for it to be granted...

With Hyde coming on so strong at the end of the year it will be interesting to see how Urban handles Hall coming back, assuming he's 100%. It's a good problem to have, but I don't see how you keep either of them off the field.

It wasn't shown very well on tv, but it looked like tsun ran down through OSU's sideline pregame when that tsun player threw the punch? If so, I think that's a perfect example of the bush league moves that have become more common under Hoke. He's trying so hard to be Bo, that he's actually...

I came to this thread to basically write this exact thing. Hoke doesn't come off as someone who will pick fights he might lose. Seems like his common recruiting strategy w/ Ohio kids is to get to them first, and then convince them that they should seek revenge against OSU. Coupling that with him...

The "have fun in your bowl game" and "it doesn't count" statements have now become the mantra for a fan-base that has nothing else to be proud of... - their coach is a nutless turd who runs his mouth when it isn't full of twinkies, then waddles off the field in shame - their best...

Is it too early to start a 2013 season thread? I haven't followed ttun's recruiting closely, but even with Hoke's questionable coaching you have to think their defense will improve and Gardner looks like he can be a viable qb. But you're right that they have no WR's or RB's for him to get the...

Was thinking this as well. The black was hard to read and didn't go with anything else, just looked like an afterthought or like they were told they had to fit black into the uniform somehow.

.Wow. No clue why Haden already committed to keeping Kiffin around. Side note, I love how the song girls are cheering in the background as ND takes victory formation.

I know she was in c-deck, I'll have to ask my brother where they were at. This will be legendary if her bitchiness is even becoming known at the Shoe.

What section were you in? My brother's gf and her mom fit this description perfectly and were going to the Game today, I was so glad I didn't have to listen to her mouth at the house.

Want to bump Miller. Played a solid game today and didn't make any turnovers, I'm guessing ttun would've traded for that. I'm sure the last two games have helped him realize that he's not always going to be able to rely out outrunning defenses.