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Conley and Oden were a package deal (Oden following Conley oddly enough), but I agree, they don't tend to work out that often.

You have to declare if you want to be invited to pre-draft activities for one. But in your scenario, say a guy isn't interested in going to the NBA after his frosh year. A team takes him 10th in the draft, but the kid doesn't like the team and wanted to return to school anyway. Does the team...

Yeah, I don't see a lot of benefit to the changes and a risk to creating some issues. Interesting where this leaves guys drafted in the second round. They have no guarantee of the NBA and presume still can't return to college. Also, I don't see addressed whether an undrafted player can go to...

Cleveland.com had a little writeup on the game. Three frosh started, though Holtmann warned us not to read to much into who starters were and what PT looked like. https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2018/08/ohio_state_basketball_wins_sec.html

carton has a little more explosion. Honestly, if i am looking at a recent comparison its a poor mans kyrie and by "poor mans" in this case, I mean reasonably close. Mostly the way he hangs and finishes from difficult angles. Not quite the all around ball handler and hasn't displayed the pull...

Good info, thx for sharing. I would be pretty shocked to see Potter as a starter at Pf when the limited minutes he's gotten the first two seasons have been almost exclusively at center.

Maybe athletes aren't what I thought they were today. 30 years ago as a walk on at a small college baseball team, we were required to be able to run a 6 minute mile to make the team (an exception was made for a large catcher who could hit the snot out of the ball). I was slow, tall and gangly...

I thought it was apparent that it was an arbitrary number, not some sort of benchmark for all centers. A mile is nothing to run (I would assume every player on the team except for centers can run a sub 5 minute mile), but is an arbitrary number along with time to complete to show how good ones...

Maybe, maybe not which is the exact point I was trying to make. I don't care what his weight number is (you can be 270 and look like a fat slob or a chiseled man). What I care about is whether he has become more explosive, quicker and better stamina. Now, one can certainly make an assumption...

To be honest, I am not terribly concerned about the number listed for his weight (Lebron weighs more than 250). IF you tell me his vertical is 4" higher and he can run 2 miles in under 12 minutes and has better agility, then I'm getting excited.

I really like Carton, but I don't see him as a likely one and done. He's a good athlete, but not like a Mike Conley or other smallish PG's that go early in the draft. Now, obviously if he averages 18 ppg and 8 apg, then that might change things, but I just don't see that kind of frosh year...

I hadn't read the previous page, so didn't realize the source had been discussed. Understand that I am not arguing what his height is or isn't and regardless think he's going to be a heck of a college player (might be better for us if he is sub 6'). as for other players, 6'1" or shorter, in...

The 5'11" measurement supposedly came from the U18 national team trials, but I cannot find an official measurement chart for that event. NBA Draft which generally takes their measurements from these types of events has him listed at 5'11". I am not saying they are right or Rabjohns is wrong...

Sorry for the misunderstanding, but I wasn't implying you were. I was stating that I don't offer my opinions off of highlight videos which was a preface to my comment that followed.

Yeah, I noticed that after going back through the thread. Couldn't see the video at work and just got to look at it last night. I try not to make any judgments off of highlight videos, so won't say much other than he looks like he is under control and has solid athleticism.

pass on the break at the 1;33 mark where he put english on the pass with 2 hands.

Mitchell has good physical tools. He just doesn't have "it".

would love to have carton. sturdivant has had a very good spring so far especially scoring the ball, but carton is a supreme floor general.

Kanter was a one and done talent which is really what was being discussed before the tangent of what defines a one and done player. Miles Bridges was a one and done talent. He could have declared after one year and been an NBA lottery pick, but chose to return. That is not what Spellman did...

lol that someone thinks the definition of a rookie is the same as "one and done". If spellman had an injury that kept him out a season, I could maybe buy the argument, but he was ineligible academically, so nothing that hindered his game. He simply wasn't good enough to go pro the first year...