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WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

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I would just hate to use him up too early. He is very talented, no doubt about it. But too much playing time can really hinder his development and risk unneeded injury.

Continue to break him in slowly this year. Next year, balls to the wall.
 
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scooter1369 said:
I would just hate to use him up too early. He is very talented, no doubt about it. But too much playing time can really hinder his development and risk unneeded injury.

Continue to break him in slowly this year. Next year, balls to the wall.
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You think Adrian Peterson at Oklahoma and Mike Hart at Michigan are going to have their development ruined by playing full time as true freshmen? Would Maurice Clarett's shoulder been immune to stingers had he not played as a true freshman?
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
You think Adrian Peterson at Oklahoma and Mike Hart at Michigan are going to have their development ruined by playing full time as true freshmen? Would Maurice Clarett's shoulder been immune to stingers had he not played as a true freshman?
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I think that in their junior years, they will have defeated the odds if they haven't blown out a knee by then.
 
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kn1f3party said:
I must have been dreaming because I watched some kid by the name of Clarett miss two starts, put quite a few on the ground in Chicago, and leave--if only for a quarter or two--at least three more games because of injury.
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So, if he didn't play as a freshman, he never would have gotten the shoulder stinger down the road? The reason he got the stinger wasn't because he was a freshman, it was because to got slammed down hard on Wisconsin's concrete pad of a field at Damp Cramhole. And what does his three fumbles at Northwestern (which is in Evanston, not Chicago, Einstein) have to do with injury? He wasn't hurt yet. The reason why he fumbled then wasn't because he was a freshman, but rather because he wasn't covering the ball up...Fumdell Ross is still guilty of that as a damn senior.



scooter1369 said:
I think that in their junior years, they will have defeated the odds if they haven't blown out a knee by then.
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Did Archie Griffin blow out a knee?
 
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Being "ready" has more to do with how the individual player grasps the system and the routes and/or the game at that level. Teddy Ginn sure has shown that he has a feel for the game at this level game. Yes he does need to work on his routes a little better but he sure knows the game and has shown he knows how to play at this level. I understand what your saying kn1f3party about "limiting his play" and Coach Tressel has indeed cut down the amount of different plays you see Ginn on the field for but he is fast on his way to being in there all the time don't you think? Even for a freshman. Yes he does have to add a few more pounds but would you really want him off the field when he has that gamebreaking speed and talent??
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
So, if he didn't play as a freshman, he never would have gotten the shoulder stinger down the road? The reason he got the stinger wasn't because he was a freshman, it was because to got slammed down hard on Wisconsin's concrete pad of a field at Damp Cramhole. And what does his three fumbles at Northwestern (which is in Evanston, not Chicago, Einstein) have to do with injury? He wasn't hurt yet. The reason why he fumbled then wasn't because he was a freshman, but rather because he wasn't covering the ball up...Fumdell Ross is still guilty of that as a damn senior.





Did Archie Griffin blow out a knee?
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Archie beat the odds.
 
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kn1f3party said:
I must have been dreaming because I watched some kid by the name of Clarett miss two starts, put quite a few on the ground in Chicago, and leave--if only for a quarter or two--at least three more games because of injury.
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I think I have lost your logic here, is he not ready because he is 165 or is it becuase he is a freshman. Clarett was at least 230 and a year older than Ross when he was a freshman, why would Ross be ready as a sophmore and not Clarett as a freshman when Clarett was older and weighed considerably more than 165?
 
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Ted Ginn is a phenomenal player, and is getting more and more playtime as this season progresses. First of all, you should be pleased that Tressel is willing to continue to give him more PT at WR and PR (most teams don't use two return men).

The reason he isn't starting at KR is because Maurice Hall is an excellent kick returner who is a seasoned back and clearly much stronger. He has had a number of good returns called back on penalties, and is about to break the all-time record for KR yardage while playing on a team that rarely gave up scores and needed to be kicked off to.

He should be given a few more chances with the ball, but putting him in on KR and reverses and the like is a huge gamble. Also, whatever Tressel shows from his playbook now cannot be used later against that other school. I think you'll see a lot of Ted Ginn on Nov 20.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Yeah, he sure didn't look ready on his 65-yard punt return TD against Wisconsin or his 59-yard TD reception against Indiana. Tell us, do you really even fucking watch the games?
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Speed got him in the endzone, he was barely touched by Wisconsin and Indiana couldn't tackle my grandmother. Besides, being tossed out of bounds like a sack of potatoes against Cinci was more telling of his physical readiness.

MililaniBuckeye said:
Did Archie Griffin blow out a knee?
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Are you serious? Ginn is a great player but I don't think these two are even in the same league.

Buck Nasty said:
I think I have lost your logic here, is he not ready because he is 165 or is it becuase he is a freshman. Clarett was at least 230 and a year older than Ross when he was a freshman, why would Ross be ready as a sophmore and not Clarett as a freshman when Clarett was older and weighed considerably more than 165?
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You didn't lose my logic, you just haven't read what I reiterated earlier. Returning punts, kickoffs, and playing 30 snaps at wide reciever is too much work for any Freshman--especially one that is undersized.

I have his weight at 165 from the scouting report. Players are always an inch taller and ten pounds heavier when they're listed.

Tressel isn't willing--on a team that has lost a lot from each of its classes already--to risk one of the biggest recruits he landed since arriving. I don't know any coach that would. Besides, give him a few kicks to return and he misses a few snaps at wide receiver. As fans we can expect these kids, right out of high school, to line right back up and go full speed again. I'd hate to play for the Stalinist team that wouldn't let me catch my breath. BuckeyeFROMscUM brings up an even better point. Ginn isn't returning kicks because Hall and Holmes are better at it.
 
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Avluey:

Please read posts carefully before you start mouthing off about them -- even if you have to read them two or three times.

1. No one suggested here that Teddy Ginn was the answer to the "grand mystery to solving our offensive struggles". This is a thread about Ginn and how best to use him. My comments were directed to that issue -- not to the entire offensive gameplan.

2. No one suggested that Ginn go deep on every play, so that "when a D1 CB knows that is all he is going to run ... It's covered." I specifically suggested we throw long to Ginn twice per offensive possession. That would force a much looser coverage scheme overall, which would help both the running attack and our other very talented receivers.

3. No one suggested that CBs would have to "start on the offensive side of the line of scrimmage then TG would most likely beat the corner downfield nearly everytime.... but but wait?!?!? The other CB's have brains???" Luey, six question marks and two exclamation points. Very powerful writing! What I suggested was that Ginn run directly at the CB covering him and then blow by him. If you believe that's easy for Big Ten corners to cover, you and I have an honest difference of opinion. But you can't really believe that tOSU offense has posed a deep ball threat to defenses, can you? Our yards per pass attempt stats are among the lowest in Division 1. Adding a consistent deep threat, employing an Olympic-class sprinter, wouldn't actually hurt our offense, do you think?

4. "Have you watched a game this year???" Three question marks, Luey. You du-u-u-u-de!!! Yes, I have watched a game or two. I went to my first OSU game with my Dad 50 years ago, have attended a couple of hundred games in the Shoe, and have watched nearly every away game on satellite for the past decade or so.

So Luey, argue with me, even flame me, all you want, but at least argue with what I actually write. That will require some careful reading skills, perhaps at a higher grade level than you have attained. But give it a try. You might find that rational thinking will actually get you further in life than the ranting hissy-fits you've shown us here.

Have a nice day, dude.
 
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I thought this was a simple thread on how good Ginn was ...
 
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