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WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

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Bucklion said:
Mental breakdown? NOT touching that punt was the onlt thing that kept us in the game, because it was a TD otherwise when the Penn State player recovered it....sadly, that was the offense's smartest play all game...and it wasn't even the offense.
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Agreed. That took a lot of football smarts to not touch that ball and try to make a play. Sure getting the ball at the 11 is going to hurt, but not as much as muffing the punt by trying to make a play. The wind and rain played havoc with the punts.
 
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Exactly Nation, and that's one thing I see very favorably with Ginn in that instance...as much as he wants to break one, as much as he is pressing, as much as he wants to make a play, especially with the offense struggling, he backed off (OK, sidestepped) because he knew he couldn't make that particular play, and it could cost his team. This is a great sign for his "football intellligence" that I believe, eventually, will make him a great football player, in addition to being a great athlete. I think Ginn is learning on the field, and if he is going to get to be as good as Santonio and Jenkins, which he can be, that is extremely important.
 
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mili is right when he says that ginn is a different returner now though.. last year he made some moves but was north / south for the most part.. now, he's just dancing around waiting to get tackled.. it's like he's suddenly turned into chris gamble..

i'm blaming the coaching and offensive gameplan.. there's no way ginn doesn't develop under someone like weis or spurrier..
 
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What a lot of folks don't seem to realize is that teams are keying in on Teddy this year. On top of that we are often dropping back 2 returners, meaning one less blocker, meaning atleast one guy is more than likely given the job of going right after Teddy. He is a 19 year old kid who came into the season with an insane amount of hype sourrounding him. He'll be OK...once he brakes one (and it is inevitable he will) it will be like riding a bike. Was the Heisman hype justified coming into the season? Probably...but it's a lot of pressure for any kid to handle. He's handling it at the Ohio State University, one of the largest sporting institutions in the country. Patience my friends...:wink:
 
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NFBuck said:
What a lot of folks don't seem to realize is that teams are keying in on Teddy this year. On top of that we are often dropping back 2 returners, meaning one less blocker, meaning atleast one guy is more than likely given the job of going right after Teddy. He is a 19 year old kid who came into the season with an insane amount of hype sourrounding him. He'll be OK...once he brakes one (and it is inevitable he will) it will be like riding a bike. Was the Heisman hype justified coming into the season? Probably...but it's a lot of pressure for any kid to handle. He's handling it at the Ohio State University, one of the largest sporting institutions in the country. Patience my friends...:wink:
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We were dropping 2 returners last year, too. On at least 4 return TD's (Oiler didn't put them all in his highlight video) we had 2 guys back.
I agree with everything else you said. He seems to be getting frustrated, and there is so much pressure on him. The return against Iowa would have been huge, IMO. He was so pissed at JamO for the block in the back.
 
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NFBuck said:
What a lot of folks don't seem to realize is that teams are keying in on Teddy this year.
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I agree that defenses are keying on him with respect to certain plays (e.g., WR screens, end-arounds). However, they obviously aren't keying on him when it comes to throwing the ball vertically down the field, as the ESPN telecast showed situations in which he was 3 steps ahead of PSU DBs on long routes down the field (where he was getting 1-1 coverage), with Smith just failing to recognize it. Furthermore, from what I've heard from members of this site who were at the game, this happened several times. Therefore, as I argued earlier, we need to try to throw Ginn the ball down the field more often b/c defenses aren't keying on him with respect to every route he runs, and scrap the WR screens and end-arounds to him that haven't worked all season long.
 
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Herby says that he would bench Ted Ginn!!

Didn't put this in the existing thread because there is some pretty neat information here and I wanted to make sure it was seen. If this isn't ok, I guess it'll get moved. This is from Herbstreit's radio show when Ted Ginn's name was brought up.

Herbstreit said, and I quote: "I would be real close to benching Ted Ginn. I don't know who got to him, whether it was an agent, or a friend who said "It's all about the NFL, baby!" but Ted Ginn is scared. He's timid. He's afraid to bust a seam on kick returns. He just heads for the side line. They should take him off kick returns because it's obvious that he doesn't want to do it. He's a non factor. I was standing on the side line for the game and the coaches have to scream at him from the sideline to get lined up correctly. I'm not sure where his head is."

Wow. If that's not calling Ted out then I don't know what is.
 
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As you have started a thread on this let me add the following --
Not focussed mentally. Not playing his position well when on offense (mentioned he was on the sideline at Penn State watching this and on more than one occasion the coaches had to call to him "Teddy get back off the ball" That is Teddy was lining up in a position that would have resulted in an illegal formation penalty. Herbie's take - this means Teddy's mind is somewhere else, and it is not in a good place. That Teddy is playing tentative, almost fearful. Playing East-West not North-South. (As I was hearing this the wife turns to me and says, "That's kind off what you've been getting at for weeks now") Herbie is not sure why, not sure if there is a single underlying cause, not sure what caused this - but feels it is nearly the time to take some more drastic action like this
His solutions to this issue -
A - Take Ginn out of the business of return game. He isn't taking the same cuts he did last year. Not playing with the same fearless attitude. Until he shows he can do what is needed run a regular KR / PR game.
B - Herbie recommends sitting Ginn - not for a game, but for at least a series or two. Make Teddy hungry to play.

I was half expecting him to mention something like hypnosis, but apparently Herbie isn't ready for the bargain Doctor remedies to these issues

Herbie was clearly frustrated by this, Herbie also sounded pretty supportive of whatever it is that is troubling the poor kid.
 
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Problem is, you generally bench a guy for not trying, and I don't think that's the problem. I think he's trying, I just think there are several things working against him, some of which are his fault, some of which are not. If he gets benched and also yanked off kickoffs, it basically says to him that ALL of the problems are blamed on him, when clearly they aren't all his fault. If that happens, it could shatter his confidence for the rest of his time here, and let's face it, a lot of this seems to be a confidence thing as it is...can't afford to make it worse. I'd rather they find new ways to use him, and with weaker defenses coming up, a shot at lighting it up is EXACTLY what he needs...not to sit on the bench and watch other guys burn weaker defenses, and then have his games against Texas and Penn State compared to them playing terrible Ds.

I have to disagree with Herbie on this one.
 
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I agree, theres nothing I hate more than a kid playing afraid...

I can tell that he is afraid, he almost comes to a complete stop when there isn't a huge lane for him to run in, and goes down by himself pretty much. He runs like hes afraid to step on a landmine...

I agree with what Herby said 120%.
 
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This reminds me of a comment when he played in the Army HS ALL-American game. I talked to coach Bob Palko at my local gym where he works out and asked some questions after he got back, I asked about Teddy Ginn and he said he is great athlete but is too afraid to hit anyone. I said he will need to learn to do that if he wants to play CB at OSU, and he smiled and said there was no way he will play CB at any D1 school unless he Bulks up and learns to be more agressive. On a positive note, he said that they sky is truly the limit with Teddy and that when he toughens up he will be a first round pick hands down.
 
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