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WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

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I know that we have plenty of receivers that can run the route, I was just wondering why we never used it with Ginn. I mean a player with that much speed and more importantly his separation ability, I thought they would use the route a little more. Who knows maybe we will see the BUCKS use it this year.
 
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I think they started to, and with the emergence of Gonzo and the imminent potential of Dukes, somebody's going to be stretching the field this year. Holmes ran a good one in The Game, Ginn has run a few (now that he's developed as a WR), and Gonzo's wasn't a fly route but was based on pure speed going deep in The Game.
 
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Ginn's most deadly route is the quick post. Santonio's are screens, slants, and fades. Gonzo runs great outs and may be our best deep route WR. Can't wait to see Albert's routes based on Holmes' and Tressel's comments of last year.


Go Bucks!
 
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osugrad21 said:
The fly and the fade are not as easy to read nor complete as one would think...

I do see multiple tOSU vertical routes being a FS's worst nightmare this season...

Personally, I like seeing Ginn get the ball in space where he can pick a seam and go...slants, posts, bubbles, slip screens, etc.
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I agree with this. Ginn is best when he gets the ball in space and can make moves. Even though he is incredibly fast his best asset is his change of direction. Running him straight up the field would be a waste and it would be harder for him to get open. The only problem that we have at WR is that we don't have anyone (with experience) that is big and physical that can jump up and fight for balls like MJ used to. Right now our top 3 WR's are smaller and quick so they would be better off running routes with a lot of movement to create space.
 
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Little off-topic here, but...

I decided this morning to listen to 1460 through their webcast. As they were coming back from a commercial a few moments ago they were promoting the upcoming season with sound bites from last year. During the Michigan State game, Paul Keels used one of the best lines I have ever heard. It was something like:

Ginn just went through the Michigan State defense like Mexican water through a first time tourist.

I actually started laughing at my desk...
 
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osugrad21 said:
Personally, I like seeing Ginn get the ball in space where he can pick a seam and go...slants, posts, bubbles, slip screens, etc.
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100% agree. ginn ran MANY fly patterns with both zwick and smith on the field. to my knowledge not a single completion. ginn has a tendancy to not only outrun the d, but the pass as well.

our best deep ball wr is without question holmes. unlike the others he gets off bumps on the line very well then runs a great route.
 
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OSU5NC said:
I would say that a slant is definitely his best. He heads upfield 15-20 yards then cuts sharply across the middle, and runs the length of the field. He had a few huge plays against Michigan, and of course the TD against Michigan State. The route to set up the FG against Michigan right before half was crisp, and TS's throw was spectacular.
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Just for clarification in my mind, wouldn't this be considered a dig route or a flag route depending on where Ginn lines up and whether he cuts it inside or outside? I always thought a slant was a few yards past the line with an angled cut up field across the middle. Clearly I could use an education on pass routes similar to the blocking scheme blog...that is still a great reference.
 
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Buck94 said:
Just for clarification in my mind, wouldn't this be considered a dig route or a flag route depending on where Ginn lines up and whether he cuts it inside or outside? I always thought a slant was a few yards past the line with an angled cut up field across the middle. Clearly I could use an education on pass routes similar to the blocking scheme blog...that is still a great reference.
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There is such a wide array of terminology in football that these types of discussions are often confusing. However, I also have always known the route you describe as a slant or look-in....likewise, the deep crossing route 5NC describes is a Cadillac in our terminology which is used to bait a safety as their is often a post coming behind it. These are often 5 or 7 step drop passes as opposed to the 3 step drop on quick slants.

Most of the time, routes are numbered (which is another wide array of methods) with a selection of name routes also.
 
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New math...

7 = 6. Proof:
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QED! :biggrin:
 
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martinss01 said:
our best deep ball wr is without question holmes. unlike the others he gets off bumps on the line very well then runs a great route.
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A great example that many may not have noticed came in The Game on the play where Troy Smith broke that long run on third and long in the third quarter (which set up the TD to to Holmes three plays later). On the play, Holmes and Ginn where lined on the left side, and the crossed each other near the LOS. As Holmes started his move upfield, he brushed inside Marlin Jackon and blew by him and was 3 yards ahead of him and was waving his hand for the ball...problem was that Smith had already spun away from the rush and was headed up field. Had Smith had the time he would've had a long TD pass to his credit...but he ended up getting his TD pass to Holmes three plays later from the Red Zone, so it worked out anyways.

Between Holmes, Ginn, Gonzo, and Dukes/Lyons, there is going to be hell to pay in opposing secondaries.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
but he ended up getting his TD pass to Holmes three plays later from the Red Zone, so it worked out anyways.
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Holmes' TD grab and dive over the goal line is still one of my all-time favorites. It showed Holmes' obvious NFL caliber skills as he completely dominated Jackson. It also showed how Michigan DBs have a tendency to clutch and grab when they press on coverage. Holmes made him pay.
 
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I was having a hard time deciding whether to call the routes I was referring to as slants or posts. Either way, he looks good crossing over the middle of the field, you can't really run with him, and he can find the holes in the zone. Still, I agree that letting him go vertical a few times would be a good idea. He's a much better route runner than he was against Marshall, so we shouldn't have those types of problems again.

By the way, nicely done Buckeyeboro, I'm glad I'm not the only one who had to take discrete mathematics.
 
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