WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

[jwinslow]

It might be funny to see them attempt it, though.

"Ginn returns the opening kickoff to the 5. It's first and goal at the five. Here's the snap.. Zwick pitches to Ginn on the reverse, Ginn fades back. He's going to pass it. He throws it deep. What the fuck?!? He threw it into the stands. Santonio Holmes caught it, but he was about halfway up the south stands."

 

[jimotis4heisman]

who is going to catch him from behind? carl lewis?

 

[Zurp]

I just have a question. For punt returns, do you think we'll get a lot of blocked punts this year because maybe the punter wants to hold the ball as long as possible to let the coverage get down to #7/#4? This is not considering a punt block formation (unless the situation calls for it), but maybe that delay gives our athletes a better chance to bust through the line/get around the corner. I know we aren't exactly VT in the punt blocking department, which isn't a big issue, but maybe we see more of this.

It would be interesting to read your thoughts.

I've never heard of this strategy. (Though I know other posters would have more knowledge than I do.) My guess is that this is a bad strategy simply because it makes it more likely for the block. I would think that one of the goals for the punter is to get rid of it as soon as he can.

But I think you're on to something. Maybe punters will do more to punt higher, instead of deeper, to give their players a better chance to get down field to cover. Or maybe teams will try to get their punters to do some kind of punting squib kick, similar to the "rugby kick," though we all saw what he did when Michigan State did that. Of course, kicking it out of bounds is also an option, though I don't know that I would have my punter do that.

I like the "high, not deep punt" idea. I'd sacrifice 10-15 yards every punt to Ohio State if it meant I wasn't going to give up a touchdown or big return. Of course, even with this idea, nothing is certain. Ginn or Holmes can still burn teams in the blink of an eye.

 

[biggsj6030]

I'd love to see a Smith-Ginn option once in a while. I know that might seem unnecessary but all the talk of putting him at QB for a play or two i though this would be neat.

 

[MolGenBuckeye]

who is going to catch him from behind? carl lewis?

Ah, I saw this question coming...the new strategy is going to have everyone on the punt team drop back to the 5. You let him have a big return, but at least he won't score. :)

 

[jwinslow]

Ah, I saw this question coming...the new strategy is going to have everyone on the punt team drop back to the 5. You let him have a big return, but at least he won't score. :)

You're implying Ginn can't fly, which is very foolish :)

 

[Pheasant]

I just have a question. For punt returns, do you think we'll get a lot of blocked punts this year because maybe the punter wants to hold the ball as long as possible to let the coverage get down to #7/#4? This is not considering a punt block formation (unless the situation calls for it), but maybe that delay gives our athletes a better chance to bust through the line/get around the corner. I know we aren't exactly VT in the punt blocking department, which isn't a big issue, but maybe we see more of this.

It would be interesting to read your thoughts.

I've never heard of a special teams coach who doesn't time their punters. There's a maximum amount of time the punter can take from snap to kick before the coach starts chewing his ass. If anyone were to try this, they'd get fired very quickly and we would block almost every punt.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I've never heard of a special teams coach who doesn't time their punters. There's a maximum amount of time the punter can take from snap to kick before the coach starts chewing his ass. If anyone were to try this, they'd get fired very quickly and we would block almost every punt.

Findlay beat me to it. Delaying the punt only invites total disaster...even if the punt doesn't get blocked the punt will be hurried in the end due to the increased rush and the chance of a shank increases dramatically. While Ginn returned one of every four punts he returned for TDs, it's not that difficult to kick away from him, or if you're punting from near or inside midfield just punt it into the end zone.

 

[StiffBUCKS]

Ginn's most deadly route?

Now I know Ginn mostly was used for screens, digs, and slants last year, but are we ever going to use him on the fade route or fly route. I mean he has so much speed I don't see why he never runs those routes. Even though we do have Holmes, Hall, and Gonzalez to do that you would figure he would be used every once in awhile on the route.

 

[jwinslow]

Ginn was open on a fly route vs Michigan and the announcer pointed out that Smith should have thrown it to him (I think TS failed to see him and ended up throwing it away). He also had separation in the Alamo Bowl and Zwick underthrew him... and Ginn couldn't quite bring it in.

 

[DCBuckFan]

wasn't he wide open vs. cinci too?

 

[jwinslow]

 

[holybuckeye33]

Ginn was open on a fly route vs Michigan and the announcer pointed out that Smith should have thrown it to him (I think TS failed to see him and ended up throwing it away). He also had separation in the Alamo Bowl and Zwick underthrew him... and Ginn couldn't quite bring it in.

Same thing happened in the Purdue game, Ginn was one on one with a LB, I forget the name, and Smith didn't see him.

 

[osugrad21]

The fly and the fade are not as easy to read nor complete as one would think...

I do see multiple tOSU vertical routes being a FS's worst nightmare this season...

Personally, I like seeing Ginn get the ball in space where he can pick a seam and go...slants, posts, bubbles, slip screens, etc.

 

[OSU5NC]

I would say that a slant is definitely his best. He heads upfield 15-20 yards then cuts sharply across the middle, and runs the length of the field. He had a few huge plays against Michigan, and of course the TD against Michigan State. The route to set up the FG against Michigan right before half was crisp, and TS's throw was spectacular.