WR Santonio Holmes (Super Bowl XLIII MVP)

[purplehaze1213]

So essentially, the police can see any car, call in an annonymous drug tip to themselves, and can then pull over said driver due to annonymous tip?

Nice system.

It's a little sketchy, but what's the alternative? Not letting cops act on anonymous tips? I don't really think that's a good idea. And besides, the charges were dropped against Santonio, so it looks like there's at least a little protection from abuse.

 

[Flocka]

It's a little sketchy, but what's the alternative? Not letting cops act on anonymous tips?

Sounds good to me.

 

[buxfan4life]

It's a little sketchy, but what's the alternative? Not letting cops act on anonymous tips? I don't really think that's a good idea. And besides, the charges were dropped against Santonio, so it looks like there's at least a little protection from abuse.

Scenario:
You get into a pissing match with a co-worker on a Friday afternoon about (insert sensitive subject here).
The last thing you say as you walk away is a loud "Fuck off!!" which really gets under your co-workers skin.
As you get into you car to drive home, said co-worker is on the phone giving the cops an anonymous tip that you are impaired on pills and should not be driving and are a danger to other drivers.
You get pulled over and given the third degree and eventually arrested on a DUI when the cops take your frustration at the situation as a drug crazed fit.
To top it off, your are stuck in the clink for the whole weekend since courts are closed until Monday morning.

If this happened to you, would you still want cops to act on anonymous tips?

 

[purplehaze1213]

Scenario:
You get into a pissing match with a co-worker on a Friday afternoon about (insert sensitive subject here).
The last thing you say as you walk away is a loud "Fuck off!!" which really gets under your co-workers skin.
As you get into you car to drive home, said co-worker is on the phone giving the cops an anonymous tip that you are impaired on pills and should not be driving and are a danger to other drivers.
You get pulled over and given the third degree and eventually arrested on a DUI when the cops take your frustration at the situation as a drug crazed fit.
To top it off, your are stuck in the clink for the whole weekend since courts are closed until Monday morning.

If this happened to you, would you still want cops to act on anonymous tips?

No.

And I realize we're getting off topic here, but that seems like a very specific and rare scenario. In my opinion, the positives of acting on anonymous tips outweigh the negatives. That isn't to say that it's perfect by any means, because as you showed, it can be abused. I just think that with the proper safeguards in place, it can be very useful to law enforcement without inordinately infringing upon personal rights.

 

[billmac91]

Scenario:
You get into a [censored]ing match with a co-worker on a Friday afternoon about (insert sensitive subject here).
The last thing you say as you walk away is a loud "[censored] off!!" which really gets under your co-workers skin.
As you get into you car to drive home, said co-worker is on the phone giving the cops an anonymous tip that you are impaired on pills and should not be driving and are a danger to other drivers.
You get pulled over and given the third degree and eventually arrested on a DUI when the cops take your frustration at the situation as a drug crazed fit.
To top it off, your are stuck in the clink for the whole weekend since courts are closed until Monday morning.

If this happened to you, would you still want cops to act on anonymous tips?

Let's just be realistic about this scenario and what actually happened in all liklihood. Cops are hanging in the city patrolling, see a young black male driving an expensive SUV, call in an annoymous tip that an SUV is in the area with heavy Narcotics. The tip, that they just gave themself, is used to pull Santonio over without true probable cause.

They find three joints in the car (far from heavy dose of narcotics). Call me crazy, but the obvious conclusion to me on this is:

Cops thought Santonio was a dealer, called the tip in (annonymously), gave themselves probable cause to pull him over, and found 3 marijuana cigerrettes.

It doesn't excuse Santonio's behavior, but it bothers me that this is what likley happened. Any time a cop wants to pull someone over, apparently all they need to do is call an off-duty officer or friend, and have them report an annoymous tip on a vehicle.

That or pull them over for not wearing a seat-belt...another funny law put in place for the sole purpose of pulling suspicious people over.

 

[purplehaze1213]

Let's just be realistic about this scenario and what actually happened in all liklihood. Cops are hanging in the city patrolling, see a young black male driving an expensive SUV, call in an annoymous tip that an SUV is in the area with heavy Narcotics. The tip, that they just gave themself, is used to pull Santonio over iwthout probable cause.

They find three joints in the car (far from heavy dose of narcotics). Call me crazy, but the obvious conclusion to me on this is:

Cops thought Santonio was a dealer, callesd the tip in (annonymously), gave themselves probable cause to pull him over, and found 3 marijuana cigerrettes.

It doesn't excuse Santonio's behavior, but it bothers me that this is what likley happened. Any time a cop wants to pull someone over, apparently all they need to do is call an off-duty officer or friend, and have them report an annoymous tip on a vehicle.

That or pull them over for not wearing a seat-belt...another funny law put in place for the sole purpose of pulling suspicious people over.

That's true. If it's that easy to abuse the system than there is certainly a problem. The only argument I have (and I realize it's not a very good one, because it doesn't even address the main issue here, which is the violation of civil rights) is that if you aren't doing anything wrong in the first place then it won't matter if the cops search your vehicle.

 

[billmac91]

That's true. If it's that easy to abuse the system than there is certainly a problem. The only argument I have (and I realize it's not a very good one, because it doesn't even address the main issue here, which is the violation of civil rights) is that if you aren't doing anything wrong in the first place then it won't matter if the cops search your vehicle.

The fact that Santonio got off base don the information, basically proves my point that cops abused their power. On top of that, Santonio offered up the marijuana in his car, and was completely compliant.

Following the arrest, the police commended Santonio on his willingness to comply with the pullover stop, and be very forthcoming with the drugs in his car. To the point where they asked the judge to take it into consideration.

Seems like a guilty conscious to me....

Not that any o fthi spost really corresponds to what you write purplehaze....I just hate unnecessary traffic stops based upon prejudices.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Let's just be realistic about this scenario and what actually happened in all liklihood. Cops are hanging in the city patrolling, see a young black male driving an expensive SUV, call in an annoymous tip that an SUV is in the area with heavy Narcotics. The tip, that they just gave themself, is used to pull Santonio over without true probable cause.

They find three joints in the car (far from heavy dose of narcotics). Call me crazy, but the obvious conclusion to me on this is:

Cops thought Santonio was a dealer, called the tip in (annonymously), gave themselves probable cause to pull him over, and found 3 marijuana cigerrettes.

It doesn't excuse Santonio's behavior, but it bothers me that this is what likley happened. Any time a cop wants to pull someone over, apparently all they need to do is call an off-duty officer or friend, and have them report an annoymous tip on a vehicle.

That or pull them over for not wearing a seat-belt...another funny law put in place for the sole purpose of pulling suspicious people over.

Uh, if that was the case, then why did their self-supplied "anonymous" tip fail to specify the model, color, and state license plate of the SUV, if they could fucking see it? Oh, that's right...all cops think that all black men in decked out SUVs are drug dealers.

 

[billmac91]

Uh, if that was the case, then why did their self-supplied "anonymous" tip fail to specify the model, color, and state license plate of the SUV, if they could [censored]ing see it? Oh, that's right...all cops think that all black men in decked out SUVs are drug dealers.

I don't really see that as relavent....without that information, why pull him over in the first place then? There's a reason the charges were dropped....

As a sidenote, color me very skeptical of police-work after watching the Antonio Henton video tape. He pulls up on a corner, a woman asks him "if he wants to party", and his response is "Where's the party at?". Like any average college kid would ask. Hardly the answer of a guy looking for sex.

 

[Buckskin86]

Originally Published: June 11, 2009
Jones-Drew has clear path to stardom
By John Clayton
ESPN.com

US Presswire
Jacksonville RB Maurice Jones-Drew, left, Pittsburgh WR Santonio Holmes and Green Bay QB Aaron Rodgers head an impressive list of ascending offensive players.

Last season, as is the case just about every year, several young offensive stars had breakthrough seasons.

At wide receiver, Roddy White of the Falcons caught 88 passes for 1,382 yards. Dwayne Bowe had an 86-catch, 1,022-yard season for an offensively challenged Chiefs team. Brandon Marshall reached star status for the Broncos, catching 104 passes for 1,265 yards.

At running back, rookies Matt Forte of the Bears, Kevin Smith of the Lions and Chris Johnson of the Titans immediately established themselves as factors by having 1,000-yard seasons.

At quarterback, Matt Ryan of the Falcons and Joe Flacco of the Ravens were rookie successes, while Matt Cassel of the Patriots went from non-starter to franchise player and was traded to the Chiefs.

As teams start to wrap up minicamps and OTAs, let's look at 10 young offensive players who could hit it big in 2009.

2. Santonio Holmes, WR, Pittsburgh Steelers: In his final 10 games last season -- including the playoffs and Super Bowl -- Holmes had 39 catches for 628 yards and five touchdowns. With the Steelers' coaches feeling more comfortable letting Ben Roethlisberger have 30-pass games, Holmes should be on target for his first 1,000-yard season and come close to 10 touchdown receptions. Holmes had a career game in the Super Bowl, catching nine passes for 131 yards and a touchdown. The confidence and momentum from that performance will carry over to this season. Roethlisberger will try to get the ball to Holmes at least five times a game, depending on the coverage.

Darren McFadden and Maurice Jones-Drew are among the NFL's potential breakout offensive players - ESPN

 

[osugrad21]

SN

Sporting News Conversation: Santonio Holmes, Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver, Super Bowl MVP

The catch that made Holmes famous. "I knew I was in bounds, never had a doubt."


On February 1 in Tampa, Steelers wideout Santonio Holmes capped his third season with four receptions for 73 yards on the winning drive of the Super Bowl. A diving touchdown grab along the sideline with 35 seconds to play won him the game's MVP award--"Just an average football catch," he says--and put the former first-round pick back on the clock: What will he do for an encore?
Holmes, 25, discussed his football career, his challenge-filled upbringing and his ongoing love affair with Ohio State in a wide-ranging Sporting News Conversation with Steve Greenberg. Here are some excerpts and outtakes from the magazine interview that is on newsstands now:
Q: Deion Branch, Dexter Jackson, Desmond Howard, Larry Brown--fine players all but hardly true stars, especially not after they were named Super Bowl MVPs. Many years from now, are you going to be looked back on as a true star or as the answer to a Super Bowl trivia question?

A: Before I started in the NFL, before I got drafted, I told a group of friends that no matter what I did throughout my career, I wanted to be in the Hall of Fame. That is something that would touch me more than everything that comes with being a star. ... That's still my goal. Regardless of me winning the Super Bowl, playing in the Pro Bowl, having a 1,000-yard season, I want to be in the Hall of Fame. And whatever it takes to get into the Hall of Fame, that's what I'm going to do.

Cont...

 

[Buckskin86]

Holmes working hard to capitalize on heroics

Steelers WR Santonio Holmes

Posted June 20, 2009
By Seth Gruen

Steelers WR Santonio Holmes could have dropped every pass thrown his way prior to his remarkable touchdown grab in Super Bowl XLIII and he still would have been known as the savior of the Steel City.

The circumstances couldn?t have been more perfect ? down three, 48 seconds left and a record sixth Super Bowl victory on the line for a franchise that has been the NFL?s model of consistency.

So it only makes sense that the biggest six-yard catch of his life, which gave the Steelers a dramatic 27-23 victory over the Cardinals last February, will be mentioned in the same breath as the Super Bowl heroics of Pittsburgh heroes Lynn Swann and John Stallworth long after Holmes has retired.

However, that catch was just one of several big grabs Holmes made in the biggest game of his life. He caught a career-high nine passes for 131 yards on his way to earning the game?s MVP honors.

?I think about it from time to time and even after it happened I really didn?t realize how big it was and even now I still don?t because there?s still a lot I want to accomplish,? Holmes said of the catch. ?To have my name mentioned every time they talk about Steelers football is something to tell my kids.?

In the wake of his award-winning Super Bowl performance, Holmes has turned his focus to validating himself as one of the league?s elite receivers.

When the Steelers traded up from the 32nd pick in the ?06 draft to get Holmes at No. 25, they sought a game-breaker to line up opposite then-reigning Super Bowl MVP Hines Ward. But, Holmes struggled in the early going of his rookie season and battled injuries in ?07 that caused him to fall just short of the 1,000-yard plateau.

In fact, the 25-year-old has failed to gain 1,000 yards receiving in any of his three seasons, leaving him to be considered by some as an underachiever.

Factor in some off-field troubles ? he was arrested in May 2006 for disorderly conduct in Miami Beach, Fla., then got arrested one month later in Ohio on charges of domestic violence ? and it added to the perception that Holmes was not living up to his draft status.

ProFootballWeekly.com - Holmes working hard to capitalize on heroics

 

[Buckskin86]

Chat with Santonio Holmes Welcome to SportsNation! On Friday, Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver and Super Bowl XLIII MVP, Santonio Holmes, will stop by to chat about his experience in the big game and his team's nomination for an ESPY Award.

Holmes had nine receptions for 131 yards and a crucial touchdown with 35 seconds to play that helped secure the Steelers' NFL-record sixth Super Bowl win. It also resulted in the Steelers being nominated in the Best Team category of the ESPY's.

Go here to cast your ESPY vote for Best Team, Best Male Athlete, Best Moment and more.

Send your questions now and join Holmes on Friday at 3 p.m. ET!


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Santonio Holmes
What's up ESPN? I'm here today to chat and let you where I'm at while I'm preparing for the season. Let's get started.

Mike (PA)
Hows the team looking this year? what are the chances of a repeat?

Santonio Holmes
The team is looking pretty good Mike. Everybody is healthy and that's the most important thing. Our vets are teaching the younger players that ropes and we're feeling good right now. We just have to stay healthy throughout the 16 game season.

Haney (Gettysburg)
How many catches and yards do you expect to get this season?

Santonio Holmes
This year, I'm looking to produce a little bit more this season. I don't want to predict a number but I would like to get around 65 or 70 catches. It all depends on how the offense is run.

Tim (Portland,Or)
As a Cards fan i must step up and say congratulations on the super bowl win and the espy nomination. What was it like making that catch with 35 seconds remaining to win the super bowl?

Santonio Holmes
Honestly Tim, it was the greatest moment ever. It was a moment of happiness and joy. I've always wanted to win a Super Bowl. I won high school and college championships but I wasn't a big part of those. To be one of the reasons why the Steelers won another Super Bowl is a great feeling.

austin (palm springs, california)
Hey man big Steeler fan here. just one question. Do all the flashing lights from the cameras at the Superbowl make it hard to see a pass/punt/kickoff?

Santonio Holmes
I doesn't make it hard at all. Once you step on the field as a professional you are focused. You may get that little trickle down your spine and when that happens, you know it's time to play ball!

Butch (Texas)
Santonio congrats on the Superbowl win and MVP. Who has had the biggest impact on your career and what is it like to play for the Steelers?

Santonio Holmes
Thanks Butch. My kids have had the biggest impact on my career. They inspire me to go out day after day to do what I love to do and what they love watching me do. I grew up liking the Steelers and this is where I want to be. I love playing for this team.

Tim (Providence)
Whats it like playing in a city that now has the super bowl trophy and the stanley cup?

Santonio Holmes
It's bananas back in Pittsburgh. When the season starts, I know we will have a lot of support from not only Steelers fans but Penguins fans as well. I mean this city earned two championships in one year.

Todd (Hutchinson, KS)
Santonio, as a Steeler fan my whole life, I was amazed when I saw your catch. I have a question for you though. I've played in big games in my life, but just state championships. How did you feel when you stepped onto the Super Bowl stage? Where you afraid of losing?

Santonio Holmes
Todd, I was never afraid of losing. I was excited to play in the Super Bowl. I was playing in my home state and I had all my friends and family there to support me. I was up for the challenge and I loved every minute of it.

Bryan (Grand Rapids)
I'm a die-hard Wolverines and can't stand your alma mater, but as it stands Michigan is struggling right now and Ohio State is a Top 15 team. Do you see them winning the Big Ten and possibly contending for a National Title with Pryor this year?

Santonio Holmes
I think it's possible with the way those guys played last year. Pryor is in his second year and I think he can lead that team. The Big Ten is tough but Ohio State has a chance. I don't really like Michigan either but the competitions between the two schools are great!

Chat: Chat with Santonio Holmes - SportsNation - ESPN

 

[Buckskin86]

Santonio Holmes Eyes Canton
Posted by Mike Florio on June 27, 2009

As the annual Hall of Fame induction ceremony approaches, one current player who eventually wants to get in has much more impressive credentials than he did when the current calendar year commenced.

Receiver Santonio Holmes, who didn?t break out in his third NFL regular season, had a stellar postseason with the Steelers, culminating in a championship-winning touchdown catch and a Super Bowl MVP trophy.

And he wants to keep it going.

?Before I started in the NFL, before I got drafted, I told a group of friends that no matter what I did throughout my career, I wanted to be in the Hall of Fame,? Holmes recently told Steve Greenberg of Sporting News. ?That is something that would touch me more than everything that comes with being a star. . . . That?s still my goal. Regardless of me winning the Super Bowl, playing in the Pro Bowl, having a 1,000-yard season, I want to be in the Hall of Fame. And whatever it takes to get into the Hall of Fame, that?s what I?m going to do.?

The fact that he?s not in a high-octane offense could make it more of a challenge. Then again, Lynn Swann parlayed mediocre stats into a Hall of Fame career, thanks to being part of four Super Bowl-winning teams and being named Super Bowl MVP once.

So Holmes apparently won?t be looking for a change of scenery to get to Canton ? and he won?t need one if the Steelers keep winning.

?I grew up a Steelers fan,? Holmes said. ?If I could play here for another 30 years, I would. I don?t really care about the numbers. I play the game because I love playing.?

ProFootballTalk.com - Santonio Holmes Eyes Canton

 

[Buckskin86]

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