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cincibuck

cincibuck

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I'm operating on the notion that ND, unlike OSU and Oregon, can pick between bowls and opponents... after all, They're Notre Dame.

Now, if I'm Weiss, what do I want? I'm assuming that the bowl who-plays-whom rules go out the window, as they always do, and that winning a league is not a firm and fast rule if TV money REALLY wants you somewhere else, "Good By 04 Golden Bears!" So who do I (Weiss) want the bowl gurus to pick for me?

I don't need to play Ohio State and I see no reason why I should. It doesn't make me any richer and it risks way too much in national exposure to a program that can really hurt me. I don't want to play LSU. Penn States D scares the crap out of my QB and gives my RB hives. I don't think I even want to mess with Va Tech or Miami, though an ACC team is preferable to a Big 10 or SEC runner up.

I think I want to take on WVA or Oregon. They look good enough, on paper, to warrant my picking them as a final poll determining game and that means that PSU, OSU, LSU, Georgia, Va Tech or Miami, teams that could lower my ranking must play each other and thus half of them will be eliminated from the final Top 5 poll, and I creep up.

One year ago we get ass-raped by Oregon State and this year we beat up on WVA and creep into the Top 5, maybe Top 3 if Texas clobbers USC, Penn State Looses to LSU and OSU beats Va Tech or Georgia. Hmmmmm.
 
You seriously think ND gets a say in who they play and where they play? Bowls are going to fight to get them and get the best matchups. It's all about making money...so whatever matchup will make the bowl the most money, that's the matchup they are going to take. I think in an Ohio State/Notre Dame matchup...neither school has anything to lose. A win goes a long way for each program, but a loss would not set either program back at all...unless it's a blowout. If it's a good game between two good teams, it'll look good for both schools...just like the Texas game did this year.
 
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Yeah, I seriously believe that ND can have a very big say in where they go and who they play. Ask Chris Collinsworth what happened to him as an NBC analyst when ND took a disliking to his comments. Look at the polls. Look at the fact that they have the ONLY exclusive TV contract. Look at the fact that they forced a concession from the BCS folks, all but guaranteeing them a BCS bid.
 
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I loathe ND, but I don't believe that they have the power to choose their opponent under the BCS. Assuming USC and Texas win this week and go to the Rose, the Fiesta Bowl will obviously take ND with the first choice, as the replacement for their conference champion (Texas).

The Sugar automatically gets the LSU-Georgia winner.
I think the Orange then takes Penn State to play the ACC winner, and that the Fiesta is then left with a choice between tOSU and Oregon as the at-large, or West Virginia. I think the Fiesta takes tOSU, leaving W. Va for the Sugar.

Time will tell if your ND 'power-play' has any merit. The Orange Bowl won't do the Fiesta Bowl any favors, since 2 years ago the Fiesta Bowl didn't help the Orange Bowl avoid the FSU-Miami rematch. Each Bowl is it's own large business.
 
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They have a deal with NBC because they are Notre Dame...biggest fan base in the country. Also...of course if somebody says something negative on NBC about them, that person is going to get in trouble. It's their home network. They are supposed to be biased. It'd be like somebody saying something bad about the Braves on TBS or bad about the Cubs on WGN. Yeah...the polls favor them. They have a lot of things going their way. But it all comes down to money. The ONLY way Notre Dame would have any say in who they play is if that bowl felt threatened that Notre Dame would turn down their invite because of who the opponent was. Notre Dame won't turn down a BCS bowl. Nobody wants to see a Notre Dame/WVU matchup...so no matter how much Weis would want that matchup, he's not getting it. Notre Dame is going to play Penn State or Ohio State. Their is national interest in those two games...that's where the money is.
 
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cincibuck said:
Yeah, I seriously believe that ND can have a very big say in where they go and who they play. Ask Chris Collinsworth what happened to him as an NBC analyst when ND took a disliking to his comments. Look at the polls. Look at the fact that they have the ONLY exclusive TV contract. Look at the fact that they forced a concession from the BCS folks, all but guaranteeing them a BCS bid.
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they have not forced a concession from the BCS folks. Every single media analyst in the country is enamored by them. That is why they are a lock for the BCS.

Chris Collinsworth was probably working for NBC, whose only team is ND. That would be like him working for ONN and speaking badly about the buckeyes.

Sorry, but ND does not get to pick their bowl game. They are the largest fanbase, so they get all of their home games on TV (however not all of their away ones).
 
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jwinslow said:
they have not forced a concession from the BCS folks. Every single media analyst in the country is enamored by them. That is why they are a lock for the BCS.

Chris Collinsworth was probably working for NBC, whose only team is ND. That would be like him working for ONN and speaking badly about the buckeyes.

Sorry, but ND does not get to pick their bowl game. They are the largest fanbase, so they get all of their home games on TV (however not all of their away ones).
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I think the 'concession' that cinci was referring to was the special treatment in the BCS agreement, where ND only needs to be in the top-12 and have 9 wins to be BCS-eligible. That was the result of their power.

The new BCS agreement also has different rules for ND, but they aren't quite as favorable as the rules in place for this year. Fortunately they were negotiated before this season, when ND's bargaining position was somewhat weaker.
 
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BB73 said:
I think the 'concession' that cinci was referring to was the special treatment in the BCS agreement, where ND only needs to be in the top-12 and have 9 wins to be BCS-eligible. That was the result of their power.
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That's not unique to ND. The top-12, 9 wins rule applies to everyone. It is the same criterion that makes the Bucks and Oregon BCS-eligible this year.

http://www.bcsfootball.org/index2.cfm?page=eligibility

4. All other Division I-A teams that have won at least nine regular season games (not including wins in exempt games) and are ranked among the top 12 in the final BCS Standings are eligible for selection as an at-large team. The final BCS Standings will be released on Sunday, December 4. The conferences whose champions have a guaranteed annual berth in one of the BCS bowls are subject to review and possible loss of that guaranteed annual berth should the conference champion not have an average ranking of 12 or higher over a four-year period.
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oubobcats said:
That's not unique to ND. The top-12, 9 wins rule applies to everyone. It is the same criterion that makes the Bucks and Oregon BCS-eligible this year.

http://www.bcsfootball.org/index2.cfm?page=eligibility
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You're correct. I was thinking of the earlier BCS rules, where ND had a guaranteed spot if they finished
in the top-6. That rule no longer applies specifically to ND, but was written for them and agreed upon by them. The fact that it no longer specifically applies to ND is so that it doesn't look so bad.
 
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BB73 said:
You're correct. I was thinking of the earlier BCS rules, where ND had a guaranteed spot if they finished
in the top-6. That rule no longer applies.
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It still applies, although it's not unique to ND.

http://www.bcsfootball.org/index2.cfm?page=eligibility

3. To the extent that any such team does not qualify to play in the national championship game, any Division I-A independent or team from Conference USA, the Mid-American, Mountain West , Sun Belt or Western Athletic Conference, will earn a guaranteed slot in one of the BCS bowl games should that team be ranked sixth or higher in the final BCS Standings. Should the number of teams meeting this criterion exceed the number of available slots in the BCS bowls after placement of teams in the national championship game and the six conference champions that are annually guaranteed berths, then the BCS bowls will fill any available slots by choosing from among all such teams that have met this criterion.
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