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Sure... this certainly explains why after losing to Iowa and having the cracks, flaws and weaknesses exposed, Ohio State didn't drop another game until Purdue....
And, of course, since those cracks, flaws and weaknesses were exposed by Purdue, Ohio State has gone on to... not drop another game
Spoken like a guy who's never played any sports of any kind ever in his whole life.
Yeah? Cuz it sure looks like you're talking about fluke games that happen to everyone.
Multiple games? 2 games in 2 seasons? I mean, I guess 2 is a multiple. As for emotional fragility, I will only say this... Ohio State "gave up" against Iowa and in the 4th Q against Purdue. That is a problem. I agree that giving up is unacceptable... but, I'm also not so naive so as to not understand that it happens... it happens at all level of sport from rec league baseball to NFL football.
Yeah? Most of the nation took notice yesterday? Of what?
Did these same "most people" "take notice" that Ohio State beat the absolute piss out of Michigan? Did these same people "take notice" that Dwayne Haskins had better stats than the Heisman winner? Just curious who these "most people" are and why I should give an ounce of piss as to what they're noticing. Do tell.
Maybe you should adopt my strategy of not giving an ounce of piss how wins look to other people.
Guess we better "rebuild"
Lunatic.
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Of a player
That's what Cinci said.. "especially if they knew another teacher was abusing students"
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Urban knew about Zach's behavior back in Florida. He knew about it here. He and Shelly tried to keep it in the team family. I can understand why he would make those choices, but in the peculiar institution of education - and Ohio State football is a part of education - that is not how you handle the situation.
Think of it this way, why did Paterno get shit canned at Penn State? Because he didn't report what he suspected - or should have suspected. He kept it within the institution's control net. Why is Art Briles no longer coaching Baylor? Because he tried to keep what he knew with in the control of the school president and AD. In both cases, people in executive positions tired to put a lid on the problem by not reporting.
It's not that I lack gratitude and admiration for Urban and what he has accomplished on the field. He's been nothing short of fantastic, but a coach in Columbus is under an intense spotlight. The media, courts, social institutions play under a very different set of rules than... on... say, Tuscaloosa... or, Talahasse... or Waco. Witness how quickly the roof collapsed on Tressel.
Think of it this way, why did Paterno get shit canned at Penn State? Because he didn't report what he suspected - or should have suspected. He kept it within the institution's control net. Why is Art Briles no longer coaching Baylor? Because he tried to keep what he knew with in the control of the school president and AD. In both cases, people in executive positions tired to put a lid on the problem by not reporting.
It's not that I lack gratitude and admiration for Urban and what he has accomplished on the field. He's been nothing short of fantastic, but a coach in Columbus is under an intense spotlight. The media, courts, social institutions play under a very different set of rules than... on... say, Tuscaloosa... or, Talahasse... or Waco. Witness how quickly the roof collapsed on Tressel.
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Just a quick word on the cracks, flaws and weaknesses that were exposed by Iowa in 2017
In the games that followed, here are the results:
Ohio State 48 Michigan State 3
Ohio State 52 Illinois 14
Ohio State 31 Michigan 20
Ohio State 27 Wisconsin 21
Ohio State 24 USC 7
So, exposure of all OSU's cracks, flaws and weaknesses resulted in Ohio State winning it's remaining games 182-65, earning a Big 10 Championship over the then #3 team in the nation and a Cotton Bowl victory.
As for 2018... I submit that any cracks, flaws and weaknesses were exposed well before Purdue... you know... when Oregon State popped off 3 longs runs... when OSU seemed to abandon it's running game for several weeks.... etc.
In the games that followed, here are the results:
Ohio State 48 Michigan State 3
Ohio State 52 Illinois 14
Ohio State 31 Michigan 20
Ohio State 27 Wisconsin 21
Ohio State 24 USC 7
So, exposure of all OSU's cracks, flaws and weaknesses resulted in Ohio State winning it's remaining games 182-65, earning a Big 10 Championship over the then #3 team in the nation and a Cotton Bowl victory.
As for 2018... I submit that any cracks, flaws and weaknesses were exposed well before Purdue... you know... when Oregon State popped off 3 longs runs... when OSU seemed to abandon it's running game for several weeks.... etc.
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So there have been proven allegations that Zach Smith abused his ex-wife and that Urban knew that actual abuse occurred? Where? Link it please. I want to read this.....and no this isn't like Pedterno in the slightest and comparing that situation to this is asinine.
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Did you miss the part about this supposed "lid" being put on anything was already known to A) The actual police and B) Title IX
Hard to put a lid on something when there isn't a lid to be put on anything.
Oh, I forgot... Football coaches are uniquely situated to solve all the problems in the world, including alleged domestic abuse .... and, let's not forget, the "alleged" part of that story... for those who followed along, it turns out that allegation wasn't exactly true. Hell, her own mother said she was lying.
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Hstead
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Man, to compare what Urban did to Briles and Paterno you have to have some serious disconnect issues. I think you are missing a key piece to each puzzle that most folks refer to as the Po Po, Cops, Law Enforcement, Blue, Heat, you know the FREAKING POLICE.
Did Paterno turn it over to the local Police? Did Briles let the Police do their jobs and be truthful to help?
Geez. Urban knew the Powell PD were involved and did not try to hide a thing.
Not to mention no one seemed to believe the "victim" including her own parents let alone the police force.
And I get so tired of Buckeye fans having this unrealistic view that we have to win every single game. Urban broke the record for the longest B1G winning streak. There is a reason even teams like Clemson and Bama lose to the Syracuse's and Ole Miss's of the world. It is a sport. Other teams have good players that can have great games too. OSU does not have a patent on the best 22 college football players on a team every year. Does it suck to drop a game to a team you would beat 95 times out of 100, sure does. To expect perfection is a lost cause in sports.
While I am on my rant, this misconception that all of the faculty at OSU hate the football team is also a fallacy. There are a ton of faculty that take a tremendous amount of pride in the football team and buy season tickets and never miss a game. I know some of them. They are some of the biggest football fans in Columbus and they are tenured professors.
Did Paterno turn it over to the local Police? Did Briles let the Police do their jobs and be truthful to help?
Geez. Urban knew the Powell PD were involved and did not try to hide a thing.
Not to mention no one seemed to believe the "victim" including her own parents let alone the police force.
And I get so tired of Buckeye fans having this unrealistic view that we have to win every single game. Urban broke the record for the longest B1G winning streak. There is a reason even teams like Clemson and Bama lose to the Syracuse's and Ole Miss's of the world. It is a sport. Other teams have good players that can have great games too. OSU does not have a patent on the best 22 college football players on a team every year. Does it suck to drop a game to a team you would beat 95 times out of 100, sure does. To expect perfection is a lost cause in sports.
While I am on my rant, this misconception that all of the faculty at OSU hate the football team is also a fallacy. There are a ton of faculty that take a tremendous amount of pride in the football team and buy season tickets and never miss a game. I know some of them. They are some of the biggest football fans in Columbus and they are tenured professors.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Don't go all lawyer on me. A public college coach is considered a teacher and as such is compelled to know the protocol to be followed in abuse cases - abuse by his players, or to his players - abuse by a coach under his authority to players, or a spouse or girlfriend. Urban knew that Zach had a temper and a history of spousal abuse, yet he continued to ratain him as a coach. Who is kept on staff, or who is let go, is a first level of responsibility for the coach. Were this a private company - say the Cincinnati Bengals - the law goes a bit easier. Were this a certain private school that puts kids up on scissor lifts in 50 MPH winds, or harrassed a girl who reported rape by a player - it would also be free of some of the scrutiny that applies to a public school. But a coach at a PUBLIC college knows there is a protocol that must be followed, one that puts the information out where the institution doesn't want it to go.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
And don't go all scarlet and gray glasses on me. Paterno and Briles are out of football because they failed to report what they knew when they knew it. Don't try and tell me that spouse abuse is on a different level of sin from child abuse, or rape. All of them are serious violations of the law.
Urban hired Zach Smith in Florida and knew then that the guy had issues that should have resulted in his firing. Instead, Urban tried to solve the problem in house. He brought the problem to Ohio State. He knew that the behavior continued here and his FIRST response was not in line with the university's protocol. Again, he tried to solve the problem in house. When Smith's actions, and the actions of his wife, finally reached the Powell Police Department, and the courts, and the media, and the school, it was too late.
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Man, this thread went full retard quickly
or returned to full retard I guess to be honest
Everyone is entitled to an opinion I guess. My opinion is that some of these opinions are really fucking stupid.
or returned to full retard I guess to be honest
Everyone is entitled to an opinion I guess. My opinion is that some of these opinions are really fucking stupid.
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Cinci, you're continuing to overlook a couple critical pieces of information.
1) The Ex Mrs. Smith was not actually a battered woman. She made the mere allegation of abuse.
2) Urban did look into the matter when it came to his attention.... he and Gene called him back from a recruiting trip immediately and Urban told Zach "If I hear of this shit again you're gone"
3) What else was Urban supposed to do? He sure as hell wasn't supposed to conduct his own investigation (THAT would be a Title IX violation)... He sure couldn't report it to Title IX since.. you know, Title IX reported it to him... Or the Police, since.. well... you know, the police had reported it to Title IX. Please do tell me what Ohio State being a public institution requires more than what occurred. Not only did the cops know, but Title IX knew, and the matter was addressed directly with Smith himself by his bosses.
Urban knew that Zach was involved in a messy divorce with an unstable spouse too, but you seem to just continue to assume the veracity of the Ex Mrs. Smith's claims. If all it takes to lose your job is the mere allegation... well... that's giving an awful lot of power to allegations.
Again, Cincy, in a vacuum, your comments are not wrong. But, they are factually incongruent with what occurred at Ohio State.
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Spousal abuse is bad, to be sure. Now, tell me where it's been adjudicated that spousal abuse occurred here. I'll wait.
This is factually incorrect. The critical timeline failing leading to why it is incorrect is stated below:
Dude, this is factually incorrect. These actions of Smith and the wife reached the Powell Police Department and the Courts FIRST NOT LAST....
You have got to get that right if you're going to go on about this. Law enforcement, including the courts, knew about this before Ohio State... and... the mere allegation of spousal abuse, not actual spousal abuse, was what was at issue. You have to walk that part back too in your analysis. Again, her own parents said she was lying about that... and... that's since been determined to be a lie by the courts as well.
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