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Strange times at US GP

bucknut11

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Not a good way to make the fans happy.

Rubber check 14 cars boycott U.S. GP over tires; Schumacher wins

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) -- Michael Schumacher climbed from his car to a chorus of boos, the die-hard Formula One fans unable to accept his first victory of the season after more than two-thirds of the field quit in protest over tire safety.

Sparking a fiasco for a series desperate to capture the American audience, Michelin advised the 14 cars it supplies that its tires were unsafe for the final banked turn at Indianapolis Motor Speedway.

Unable to forge a compromise, all 14 Michelin teams ducked off the track after the warmup lap Sunday, leaving Schumacher and the five other drivers who use Bridgestone tires to race among themselves.

Fans headed for the exits in disgust, drivers were left bewildered and track officials joined team members in speaking afterward as if the United States Grand Prix itself is in jeopardy.

Schumacher returned to the podium, but there was no champagne toast for the Ferrari team on this Sunday.

"Bit of a strange Grand Prix," Schumacher said. "Not the right way to win my first one this year."

When an agreement couldn't be reached over the use of fresh tires or the placement of a chicane to slow the cars going into turn 13, the Michelin teams pulled off the track and parked in a unified protest.

"I feel terrible. I have a sick feeling in my stomach," David Coulthard said after pulling out of the race. "I am embarrassed to be a part of this."

The situation created a farce of a race for F-1, the world's most popular series. And it couldn't have happened at a worse venue: The series is already struggling to build an American fan base, and Indy officials were left unsure of the event's future.

"Undoubtedly, this sets us back in all of our efforts or all of the gains we've made in introducing this sport to America," said Joie Chitwood, track president. He declined to speculate on if the race would be back at Indy next season.

But even the Ferrari team, which finally scored its first win of the season, acknowledged that the series' future in the U.S. is in trouble.

"I wish we can come back to the States, this is a very important country and our No. 1 market," said Ferrari boss Jean Todt. "But this is a very bad day for our sport and I feel bad for the supporters."

Many blamed Ferrari itself -- the Italian team was the lone holdout in a series of compromises the nine other teams frantically tried to reach.

After two Michelin tires failed in Friday practice sessions -- one causing a wreck that prevented Ralf Schumacher from competing -- the tiremaker ruled that its rubber was unsafe for this track.

Michelin was rebuffed when it asked the FIA, the series governing body, to ease its rule forbidding teams to change tires after qualifying. The FIA also refused to consider installing a chicane.

So Michelin advised its teams not to compete after a lengthy morning meeting between nine team bosses (Ferrari did not attend), F-1 boss Bernie Ecclestone and the FIA. At one point, all 20 drivers were summoned to the meeting.

The nine teams even agreed to race for no points, as long as the obstacle was added to the course.

All of them said Ferrari would not agree to any of the proposals. Todt denied that Ferrari held up any deals, and said any decisions were left to the FIA. However, he said Ferrari would have protested the use of a chicane.

The teams worked up until the final moments for a resolution, even lining up on the grid and taking the warm-up lap. Then they pulled off, climbing out of their cars at the same time the remaining six drivers started the race.

The crowd was stunned, with fans pointing and gawking as they tried to figure out what was going on. Some booed. Others threw water bottles on the track in disgust.

"If I was a fan out there I would do the same," said driver Jacques Villeneuve, a former Indianapolis 500 winner.

After just 10 laps, many spectators began heading for the exits.

Indy officials said they had not yet discussed offering refunds, and track boss Tony George issued a statement urging fans to direct their frustration to Michelin, the FIA and F-1's management.

This event already draws just a fraction of what other races here do. Less than 100,000 come to this race, compared to a crowd in excess of 300,000 for the Indianapolis 500. Sunday's debacle will do nothing to improve that.

"Quite frankly, the fans got cheated," Ecclestone said.

Scott Brombacher, a fan from California, said he was disgusted as he left.

"I love Formula One ... it just aggravates me," Brombacher said. "I spent a lot of money and took a week off from work to come out here. To have all this happen at the last minute is just disgusting."

The United States is the rare country that has not embraced the world's top racing series, and teams have been working hard to tap into the lucrative market.

All seven teams that pulled out of the race signed a single statement apologizing for the debacle.

"We are totally aware that the USA is an important market for Formula One and there is an obligation for Formula One to promote itself in a positive and professional manner," it said.

Among those refusing to race were world championship points leader Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen, who trails him in the standings by 22 points.

Alonso is F-1's biggest threat this season to end Schumacher's five-year reign as world champion. But when he and the other contenders pulled out of the event, it opened the door for seven-time world champion Schumacher to climb back.

Schumacher entered the event 35 points behind Alonso, but cut the deficit to 25 with the victory -- well within striking distance with 10 events left this season.
 
I love it when this shit happens - just love it. People who are getting paid to do something fun and they don't have a clue how to act. Cut off your nose to spite your face. Not a racing fan, but I just love it.
 
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I can't get mad enough at this situation to agree with you Bucknut11. I think that if this had been Nascar, the fans would have been angry but they would have understood. I can't tell you how many times a race has been cancelled becuase of rain (dangerous). The fans understand this and the diehard ones come back on Monday when it is dry. I think that the Nascar community would understand if something like this happened at a track.

What probably had all of the fans angry is that some of the drivers choose to go ahead and race (and for points from the sound of it). They might have been mad that their driver was going to loose points/spots in the championship race because the Formula 500 community couldn't come together.

Either way, drivers have to worry more about their safety then they should their fan base. This is a deadly sport in the first place and when you have your tire manufacturer telling you not to race because it is too dangerous, you don't race.
 
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Biggest joke I've ever seen... everyone actign like freaking babies... Yeah well... your tires aren't going to go the distance... too freaking bad... change them. Oh, what's that? You'll lose if you have to make tire stops?. Should have brought better fucking tires... or learn to save them on course and hope the Ferraris break.... anyway... Big effing joke.
 
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The thing that pisses me off most is Michelin acting like they did nothing wrong. Its not like they have not been to the track before, and did not know what they were getting into. They have run this fucking race 6 times. They should not expect the track to change the fucking course because they brought shitty tires with them and were unprepared. I loved the fact that during the broadcast David Hobbs was ripping them to pieces, and they said that French TV cut off the broadcast 10 minutes in because Michelin was being ripped on so hard.

Fucking Frenchies!
 
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bucks4me said:
I think that if this had been Nascar, the fans would have been angry but they would have understood. I can't tell you how many times a race has been cancelled becuase of rain (dangerous). The fans understand this and the diehard ones come back on Monday when it is dry. I think that the Nascar community would understand if something like this happened at a track.

Yeah, they love it when they finish a race under caution.
 

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More fuel for the France versus the rest of the world war.


My unit, First Infantry Division, had quite a few fights in the Michelin Plantations along highway 13, about 30 miles north of Saigon. The US paid Michelin a fee for every tree knocked down or "wounded" by any action that took place there. I don't recall the NVA paying half
 
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cincibuck said:
More fuel for the France versus the rest of the world war.


My unit, First Infantry Division, had quite a few fights in the Michelin Plantations along highway 13, about 30 miles north of Saigon. The US paid Michelin a fee for every tree knocked down or "wounded" by any action that took place there. I don't recall the NVA paying half
With these text-based "conversations," it's hard to tell when someone is joking. I hope you're joking.
 
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while i heartily agree that Michelin is to blame for providing shitty tires, the FIA is the ultimate bad guy in this situation: the FIA doesn't want multiple tire manufacturers in F1... therefore, the FIA siezed this opportunity to quite literally fuck the Michelin sponsored teams... after two cars crashed in qualifying on Friday, the teams sent back the tire carcasses to Michelin, where it was discovered that the the area where the sidewall and belt meet could not handle the load of the banked turn... Michelin immediately sent new tires to it's 7 teams, but the FIA would not approve the new tires, actually they refused to even inspect them, and declared that any team that used them would be DQed... when the Chicane was proposed, the FIA stated that it would not sanction the race if the chicane was used...

ultimately, this debacle is about the FIA being drunk with it's power, and having their heads so far up their asses that i can't even think of something witty to say...

of course the most delicious irony in all of this is from the NASCAR perspective... F1 fans talk smack about the 'left hand turn league' yet, the F1 teams can't even drive around ONE banked turn without half killing themselves...

BTW, anyone check out any of the 24 hours at Le Mans? the Corvette team did very well, finishing 4th overall, and winning the GT1 class... the Circuit De Sarthe could my favorite track on Gran Turismo 4... Nurburgring is pretty badass, though...
 
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NASCAR brass must have been laughing all through this. What a way for the F1 world to show up at Indy. How bad were the TV ratings for the race?
 
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June 20, 2005

Fan sues over Grand Prix 'race'

By Matthew Glenesk
[email protected]

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050620/SPORTS0103/50620006/1052/SPORTS01

Larry Bowers, a Colorado resident, has filed a class action lawsuit against the Federation de l’Automobile (FIA), Formula One Group, Formula One Administration, Michelin Tires and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway following Sunday’s United States Grand Prix.

Bowers, represented by Indianapolis-based attorney William Bock III, filed suit claiming the 2005 USGP was fraudulent after 14 of the 20 drivers pitted and withdrew after the formation lap of the race because of a dispute surrounding the use of Michelin tires on the track.

The lawsuit claims Formula One, the FIA, Michelin, the teams equipped by Michelin and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway forged an agreement allowing the Michelin teams to participate in the formation lap and then exit the track prior to the start of the race.

“The alleged ‘race’ participated by just three teams did not constitute a true grand prix race under FIA and Formula One rules in that the race was started with an insufficient number of participants,” the lawsuit reads.

Bowers, who bought five tickets to this year’s race and has been a USGP ticket holder since its inception in 2000, is looking to receive a refund for the tickets as well as other costs paid toward attending the USGP.

The controversy failed to dissuade some fans from showing up today at the Speedway to renew their tickets for next year's race. Others, however, were there to ask for refunds. Speedway officials were not offering refunds, but did take note of those requesting their money back.
 
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it would be nice to see him win the lawsuit, but that simply will not happen... i'm not saying that the case won't be settled out of court, but the FIA has WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY too much power and money for this guy to take it on... did you know that for the innaugural Gran Prix of Dubai, the Arabian Princes forked over $250 MILLION in order to GLUE ALL THE SAND SURROUNDING THE TRACK DOWN... some guy off the street doesn't stand a chance against that kind of money...
 
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