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Sloopy45

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Probably out of place here, but what the hey. Here's where I'd grade the '05 Yanks at midseason:

A+: A-Rod. Still has a lot to prove when it counts, but at midseason, you can't ask for more production than .317-23-72.

A+: The Great Mariano. 1.01 ERA with 20 saves. 'Nuff said.

A: Matsui. Always great in the clutch. .320-14-70.

A: Jeter. On pace for another 200 hits-.300+-20 HR-100 Run season with stellar defense & leadership. Expect nothing less from the Captain.

A: Sheffield. Great first half, will be better in the 2nd half.

A-: Chien-Mien Wang. The unsuspecting ACE of the Yankees staff. Has been an absolute god-send for this team. Seemed like the only pitcher on the team with enough guts to take the mound against the Red Sox during the last series at the Stadium. As Al Cervik once said, "This is Mr. Wang .. no offense!"

B: Mussina. Has probably had the biggest wins for the team this year, coming up with gems to end long losing streaks when the team desperately needed it the most. However, has been maddingly inconsistent and also came up with some clunkers in big spots.

B: Flash Gordon. Shook off early season failures to put up a very solid season as a set-up man to the Great 'Mo. If the Yanks do make the Playoffs, it should be interesting to see if he can shake off a history of post-season failures.

B-: Randy Johnson. If his name was Joe Blow, you'd give him this grade. He hasn't been dominant, but he has kept the team in games, has shown flashes of brilliance (albeit few and far between), has given the team the lefty starter that it desperately needed, and has gotten better as the season has went on. However, his name isn't Joe Blow, its Randy Johnson, and therfore most people will give him a lower grade than this. I expect him to be much better in the 2nd half now that his feet are wet in New York. Is there a bigger shock in baseball this season than Tampa Bay absolutely OWNING this guy??

B-: Posada. Offensive production is down from previous years, but he's still on pace for 20 HR & 70+ RBI, which is much more than most Catchers. Has been steady behind the plate & is a welcome presence in the clubhouse.

B-: Robinson Cano. Has injected desperately needed youth into the team and has a very sweet swing with solid defense. On pace for 30+ Doubles, and will be in the running for ROY. Very hard to believe no one wanted this kid a few short months ago.

B-: Tanyon Sturtze. Has become an incredibly valuable member of this team as a reliable set-up man & swing 5th starter in a pinch.

C+: The Giambino. If I told you a month ago that Giambi would be hitting .278 with 10 Homers & .426 OBP at the break, you'd probably have me committed. He's revived his career, and his numbers are rising. Giambi can take this team from a very good offensive team to a great one, as we've seen the last few weeks. This grade would've been a D- a month ago. If he can continue to revive his career, I'll give this guy all the credit in the world. He was left for dead, and it took balls to crawl out of it like he did. Even gaining some confidence defensively at 1B. I have a feeling that this grade will be much higher at the end of the season.

C+: Bernie. Numbers are way down & defense has been horrendous. But, he's made the most of his hits in clutch situations, namely the triple vs. Tampa Bay in the infamous 20-11 game, the grand slam vs. Seattle, and his GW RBI against the Mets. Also has taken his demotion with a lot of class & professionalism. This franchise will miss Bernie when he's gone.

C-: The Bam Tino. He's filled his role, got hot when the team needed it earlier in the year, and was a nice fill-in until Giambi got his stroke back. This grade would be much higher if he'd given the team any production whatsoever the last few months.

C-: Ruben Sierra. Injuries have held him back, but he's hot now. Always a valuable commodity off the bench. Has made a complete 180 from his 'Village Idiot' days. I expect this grade to be higher by the end of the season.

D+: Kevin Brown. Has pulled his regular routine: always hurt, shows no heart on the mound, etc. but has also mixed in a few quality starts. If he could EVER stay healthy, I think he could actually be a decent 5th starter for this team.

D: Carl Pavano. Has been overweight all season, and has recently come up lame. Hopefully the injury will be a blessing in disguise, as maybe the rehab will get him back in shape.

F: Jaret Wright. This grade should actually be given to Cashman for signing a guy with a bad shoulder who failed his physical right before signing the contract.

F: Tony Womack. .276 OBP from a lead-off type hitter. Has contributed absolutely nothing to the team, save for 2 games where he stole 4 bases in each.
 
D+: Kevin Brown. Has pulled his regular routine: always hurt, shows no heart on the mound, etc. but has also mixed in a few quality starts. If he could EVER stay healthy, I think he could actually be a decent 5th starter for this team.

D: Carl Pavano. Has been overweight all season, and has recently come up lame. Hopefully the injury will be a blessing in disguise, as maybe the rehab will get him back in shape.

F: Jaret Wright. This grade should actually be given to Cashman for signing a guy with a bad shoulder who failed his physical right before signing the contract.

Well-- there's you problem... well the combination of that and the lack of an "A" between Moose and the Unit.

Plus, Womack... I don't know if I said it on here... but I laughed my ass off from here to timbuktu when they signed that guy. The Problem with Tony "Don't call me Antoine" Womack is... that he's not a leadoff hitter... He's a pretty good hitter (or was) and has pretty good speed... but I imagine that he K's twice as much as he walks... and I wouldn't be surprised if his Career OBP is about .300.... not exactly leadoff material... the reason WOmack is around is that he's a professional swing man... he can hit in 5 spots if you don't have a power guy and plays just about every position... but the reality is... he's a rich man's Jose Hernandez.
 
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AKAK: "Well-- there's you problem... well the combination of that and the lack of an "A" between Moose and the Unit."

No question about it. I think this pitching could get on track if they could acquire another solid arm out of the 'Pen. I'd love to get an Eddie Guardado off Seattle's hands, but from what I hear, the M's GM wants a top prospect for him .. and I don't want to give up Hughes or Duncan under any circumstances.

"The Problem with Tony "Don't call me Antoine" Womack is... that he's not a leadoff hitter"

I haven't seen much of Womack before this season, being that he's been in the NL most of his career. But the times I did see him (i.e. the '01 World Series), he seemed like a clutch player, a solid hitter, and a pest in the box. He's given this team NOTHING - and I do have to say I'm surprised at that. I wasn't expecting to get Rickey Henderson, but I was expecting some kind of contribution.
 
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Lucky thing this thread ISNT about the Reds or else (with one exception, Lopez) the score card would read D's and F's - across the board and all the way into the boardroom.

Anyone got a farm team to spare :!
 
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sandgk said:
Lucky thing this thread ISNT about the Reds or else (with one exception, Lopez) the score card would read D's and F's - across the board and all the way into the boardroom.

Anyone got a farm team to spare :!

I think I mentioned jsut before the season started that I didn' thtink they had enough pitching... Didn't think it would be this bad.... The whole thing has kind of snowballed down there... Obvously Kearns has been a big disappointment... but.. that's not really the problem.

The Tribe is about where I expected W/L wise... Pitching has been a bit better and hitting not quite as good as I thought... Its really maddening that with Sizemore doing everything I had hoped for, and more that not one of Martinez, Boone, or Blake has done a damned thing.
 
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sandgk: "Lucky thing this thread ISNT about the Reds or else (with one exception, Lopez) the score card would read D's and F's - across the board and all the way into the boardroom."

The Reds made a huge, huge mistake by signing Eric Milton, and you could see it coming. A small market team can't afford to carry a $25 million albatross who gives up 50 home runs a season.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
The Reds made a huge, huge mistake by signing Eric Milton, and you could see it coming. A small market team can't afford to carry a $25 million albatross who gives up 50 home runs a season.
... and Paul Wilson, and Aaron Harang, and ...

The problem for the Reds, quite simply, is that the front office hasn't yet figured out that it doesn't matter if your team regularly scores 10 runs when the other team can score 11.

I will give the Reds management this though, if home runs are what put fans in the stands, the Reds have assembled both an offense and a pitching staff for the fans' enjoyment.

The difference between the Cardinals and the Reds can be summed up by one of the most elementary stats in baseball (not coincidentally, one of Tona LaRussa's favorites) groundball to flyball ratio:
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StL Cardinals RECORD ERA GB FB GB/FB
Mark Mulder 10- 5, 4.34 219 86 2.55
Chris Carpenter 13- 4, 2.51 190 90 2.11
Matt Morris 10- 2, 3.10 159 97 1.64
Jason Marquis 8- 6, 3.89 182 122 1.49
Jeff Suppan 9- 7, 4.21 175 120 1.46

Cin Reds RECORD ERA GB FB GB/FB
Matt Belisle 2- 5, 4.07 87 53 1.64
Ramon Ortiz 4- 6, 6.35 114 106 1.08
Paul Wilson 1- 5, 7.77 67 66 1.02
Brandon Claussen 4- 6, 3.61 94 106 0.89
Aaron Harang 4- 8, 4.12 109 124 0.88
Eric Milton 4-10, 6.92 122 193 0.63
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Though they're not directly relevent to a comparison between the Reds and Cards, I'll throw out some notable ChiSox starters' GB/FB numbers too:
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Chi White Sox RECORD ERA GB FB GB/FB
Jon Garland 13- 4, 3.38 183 128 1.43
Mark Buehrle 10- 3, 2.58 192 144 1.33
Freddy Garcia 8- 3, 3.53 176 133 1.32
Orlando Hernandez 7- 2, 4.88 83 76 1.09
Jose Contreras 4- 5, 4.26 125 121 1.03
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What this tells us about the Reds is that their best regular pitcher is Matt Belisle, who has been relegated to middle relief work most of the season. Belisle could grow into a quality #3 starter after another 2 or 3 seasons worth of experience. Otherwise, the Reds have themselves a #5 starter in Ramon Ortiz ... everyone else should be thrown into the Ohio River.

If the Reds move Dunn and/or Casey and don't secure at least three ground ball pitchers in the deal(s) I might, sadly, have to become an Indians fan. When Marge Schott is the most shrewd owner your franchise has seen in the last fifteen years you're in deep shit.
 
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Dryden: "... and Paul Wilson, and Aaron Harang, and ..."

Wilson & Harang don't make any money. The Reds could outright cut both guys and not bat an eyelash. Milton hurts their payroll flexibility for the next two seasons.

"If the Reds move Dunn and/or Casey and don't secure at least three ground ball pitchers in the deal(s) I might, sadly, have to become an Indians fan."

The Reds will have some takers for both players. I know the Mets fans here are making overtures for Omar Minaya to pull a deadline deal for Casey. And I like Adam Dunn, but the guy strikes out way too much & doesn't hit for average .. he's turning into a modern day Rob Deer .. its tough to carry a guy in the middle of your line-up that whiffs 170 times a season. He's still only 25, so if the Reds do shop him, they might get a nice package back for him.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
sandgk: "Lucky thing this thread ISNT about the Reds or else (with one exception, Lopez) the score card would read D's and F's - across the board and all the way into the boardroom."

The Reds made a huge, huge mistake by signing Eric Milton, and you could see it coming. A small market team can't afford to carry a $25 million albatross who gives up 50 home runs a season.
Agreed - that was a mistake. It is one of several. The worst mistake in my view has been the singular lack of focus on team development. And that failure impacts scouting, the farm team, their inept drafting and on, and on, and on.

Its the obverse side of the coin - if you can't afford to buy the players, then you must grow them.

As for the opining in the thread about the possible trade-aways the Reds can make -- what can you say. Perhaps it is better to start the whole thing from scratch -- keeping few if any of the star players on the roster. At least that way salaries get under control and (god forbid) they might actually look to the future rather than next week.
 
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sandgk: "Its the obverse side of the coin - if you can't afford to buy the players, then you must grow them."

Every team (no matter the payroll capability) should focus on player development. Doing things the right way is what wins in baseball. Period.

"The worst mistake in my view has been the singular lack of focus on team development. And that failure impacts scouting, the farm team, their inept drafting and on, and on, and on."

The Reds are paying for a bunch of organizational mistakes dating back to the early 90's: they passed Jeter in the Draft, they gave B.J. Ryan away for nothing, the now-infamous Griffey signing, etc.
 
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Its fun to talk about possible player moves for the Reds, I mean after all what else do we Reds fans have to talk about, but quite honestly untill Lindner goes and takes Allen and O'Brien with him the groundhog day scenario we have seen since 2000 will continue.

Upper management is completely clueless and even worse, meddelsome. I don't know what people of SW Ohio have done to deserve Mike Brown and Carl Lindner but it must have been pretty fucking bad.

The good news is that given competent leadership the Reds are not that far from being competitive.

Trade Casey for pitching help and 8M payflex, trade Randa, Mercker, Weathers and Aurilia for the best batch of prospects you can get and not only can you afford Dunn's arb number next year (9M or so) you can lock him up LT if he will do it. LaRue is a question mark, he's a super streaky above average hitting catcher which is rare indeed today BUT he makes 3M and his contract is up soon. With the rest of this teams firepower I say you save the money and just get an all defense/no hit type for league minimum and take your chances.

The nucleus then will be
1B Dunn
2B Freel
SS Lopez
3B Encarnacion
RF Kearns
CF Griffey
LF Pena
C ?

All but Griffey and Freel are early 20's and talented as they can be. A team could do much worse for a starting point from which to rebuild.

Pitching wise you have Harang, Clausen and maybe Hudson for a pretty solid #3-#4-#5 rotation guys and it appears we have a keeper in Belisle for the pen. After that your pretty much shit out of luck.

So "all" we need is a true #1 and #2 starting pitchers, a real closer and about5-6 more legit ML bullpen arms.

It ain't pretty but it could be worse. Bottom line is its that fucking simple to see and fix but our GM is too god damn incompetent to do it right. He'd rather assemble and all star extreme flyball pitching staff in GABP and pay them all the money.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
sandgk: "Its the obverse side of the coin - if you can't afford to buy the players, then you must grow them."

Every team (no matter the payroll capability) should focus on player development. Doing things the right way is what wins in baseball. Period.

"The worst mistake in my view has been the singular lack of focus on team development. And that failure impacts scouting, the farm team, their inept drafting and on, and on, and on."

The Reds are paying for a bunch of organizational mistakes dating back to the early 90's: they passed Jeter in the Draft, they gave B.J. Ryan away for nothing, the now-infamous Griffey signing, etc.
I can only say everything we have both said is spot on -- though I reckon player development is more critical in a smaller market team like the Reds. Its the etc at the end of any litany of the Reds blunders and errors that is most worrying. Basically, the crew running the Reds has no earthly notion of how to get things done - - unless you count running a team into the ground as a goal.
 
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Jax: "not only can you afford Dunn's arb number next year (9M or so) you can lock him up LT if he will do it"

Yeah, but do they really want to lock up Dunn at $10 mil per season long term? He's a .230 hitter who strikes out 150+ every season. He's got great power, but his only claim to fame is that he can hit 40 bombs in a bandbox.

To me, I would trade Dunn & invest that money elsewhere. Especially since the Reds don't have any unlimited payroll.

sandgk: "Basically, the crew running the Reds has no earthly notion of how to get things done - - unless you count running a team into the ground as a goal."

I don't like any other team besides the Yankees, but if I had to like a National League team, it would definately be the Reds. I used to follow the team & watch the games when I lived in Ohio, I like the '90 team, & I love the Big Red Machine (even though they smoked us in '76). So I hope they get their shit in gear.

Oh and by the way, last night Schilling got an AAAA-BOMB ... FROM AAAAAAAA-ROD!! Time to stop playin' & restore the Empire! Give Schill a marker & tell him to go paint another sock!
 
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Sloopy45 said:
Jax: "not only can you afford Dunn's arb number next year (9M or so) you can lock him up LT if he will do it"

Yeah, but do they really want to lock up Dunn at $10 mil per season long term? He's a .230 hitter who strikes out 150+ every season. He's got great power, but his only claim to fame is that he can hit 40 bombs in a bandbox.

To me, I would trade Dunn & invest that money elsewhere. Especially since the Reds don't have any unlimited payroll.

Sloop, you of all people on here should know what a worthless stat BA is.

Dunn is one of the best young hitters in the game. He is an OPS machine, his lack of RBI is simply due to the fact the morons he plays for have him batting 6th or 7th and not 3rd every night. As far as the high K numbers I don't really care, an outs an out(except of course when the jackass Reds have MR. GIDP Casey hitting 3rd and he leads the universe in twin killings)

Put Dunn in the #3 hole for a season and you'll see R/BB/HR/RBI and OPS numbers to rival anyones. BA is just this side of defensive stats for worthlessness in my book.
 
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Jax: "Sloop, you of all people on here should know what a worthless stat BA is."

Actually, I like BA, but its not a replacement for watching a guy every day. I never get to see Dunn play, so all I have is the numbers. If you tell me that the .230 isn't reflective of him as a hitter, I'll take your word for it.

"As far as the high K numbers I don't really care, an outs an out"

See, I disagree here. Putting the ball in play is a big deal over the course of a season. A K vs. a fly ball might be the difference between a sac fly & stranding a runner at 3rd. A K vs. a ground ball to the right side might be the difference between moving a runner to 2nd or 3rd. Over 162, those things add up.
 
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