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LB Camren Williams (Area Scout - New England Patriots)

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BuckeyeNation27 said:
It got flagged because he used the crown of his helmet, which is against the rules. The rules are there to force a change in the way people tackle. The hope is that eventually kids won't want that 15 yarder and possible ejection, so they'll stop tackling that way. It's not meant to penalize after the fact as much as it is to prevent future hits.
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This is true, but in my opinion, the main problem is that it penalizes only the defensive player. If they really want to reduce the chance for injury, make it a penalty for the ball carrier to drop their head and initialize helmet to helmet contact. Make it a penalty to do it when blocking.
 
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Woody1968 said:
What exactly do you expect him to say? That players are taught to target?
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I expect him to tell the truth (he does so, far more frequently than Coach Tressel did). And before the season there was a lot of talk about how Coach Ash et al are teaching a more rugby-style tackle that does not involve using the helmet. We've seen tackling improve tremendously the past two seasons, so things seem to be working pretty well without the need to use the helmet as a weapon.
 
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MaxBuck said:
I expect him to tell the truth (he does so, far more frequently than Coach Tressel did). And before the season there was a lot of talk about how Coach Ash et al are teaching a more rugby-style tackle that does not involve using the helmet. We've seen tackling improve tremendously the past two seasons, so things seem to be working pretty well without the need to use the helmet as a weapon.
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Yes, and this what I thought he was trying, albeit unsuccessfully, to do. Aren't they being trained to get the player's body basically on their shoulder so they can wrap up? That is to say basically on their neck? If so, it looked like he was trying to do that but just misjudged where the player was and got him with his crown.

Not making excuses, what I saw what what I believe the intention of the targeting rule to be... perhaps with less malicious intent... but lowered head and got the other player square in the crown.
 
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So I looked up the guidelines on the targeting rule.

By the letter of the rule, I'm not even sure that it is a foul as I don't believe Camren initiated contact with his crown. Rather his shoulder pad hit the RB and then the crown of his helmet hit, though I grant that is debatable and potentially colored by my fandom.

By the key indicators, I think he should have been safe. His head was on the side. The contact was due to the running back lowering his head. Williams wrapped up and did not leave his feet or launch in any way. There was no upward momentum. I don't see Williams "tak[ing] aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with an apparent intent that goes beyond making a legal tackle" as he ended up wrapping up the RB. If Williams was smaller or if the RB was taller, would it have been targeting?

I don't necessarily object to his getting ejected, but it should not have been so "obvious" to the announcers. I think the tackles they were trying to eliminate is the DB laying out the WR crossing the middle of the field or the DE launching at a standing QB, not a LB making a "poor" form tackle on a RB in space.

Btw, I love the circular definition of Defenseless player -- a player not in position to defend himself. The rule makers ought to hire an attorney to look things over before they get finalized.
 
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Also, keeping his head up may have allowed for adjustment to his approach to avoid helmet-to-helmet contact. Similar to a car collision, it's his responsibility to avoid it, not the other guy's. I'm not a fan of the rule, but I think the call/ejection were warranted; and he'll be better off improving his technique in the future.
 
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FIGHT TO THE END: OHIO STATE LINEBACKER CAM WILLIAMS

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Ohio State's 2015 senior class has a chance to win its 50th game over a four-year period New Year's Day in the Fiesta Bowl against Notre Dame. Before kickoff in their final collegiate game, Eleven Warriors will take a brief look back at each player's time in Columbus.

WHERE HE'S FROM
Cam Williams came to Ohio State by way of West Roxbury, Massachusetts — the lone player on the Buckeyes' roster hailing from The Bay State.

Williams was a four-star linebacker out of Catholic Memorial High School, where he was rated as the nation's No. 167 overall recruit and the No. 2 player in Massachusetts. Williams chose Ohio State over offers from Penn State, Michigan, Virginia, Boston College and others.

Williams is the son of Brent Williams, a former 11-year veteran in the NFL who played for New England, Seattle and the New York Jets.

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...to-the-end-ohio-state-linebacker-cam-williams
 
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MIKE THOMAS, JOSHUA PERRY, JEFF GREENE AND CAMREN WILLIAMS GRADUATE FROM THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY

Camren Williams ‏@Camren___ 21h21 hours ago
Proud graduate of THE Ohio State University! What a great 3 and a half years #Blessed #BuckeyeNation

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...erry-jeff-greene-and-camren-williams-graduate

Camren Williams ‏@Camren___ Nov 28
4 years...4 gold pants. Love these boys! #TheGame #LBs
 
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I'm excited to announce that I have accepted a position with the New England Patriots as a Scouting Assistant!
I want to thank everyone who has helped me get to this point. I'm blessed to join such a great organization and my favorite childhood team. The journey begins tomorrow...
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His title is Scouting Assistant, not Scout. Difference being, he won't be the one at the pro days and combine writing down measurables or breaking down film. His job will be the player interviews, medical records research/collection, and background investigation -- flying all over the country to meet parents, grandparents, relatives, high school coaches, friends.
 
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Former Buckeye Cam Williams Talks Opportunity to Current Buckeyes

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At the annual Ohio State football job fair, student-athletes meet with employers and companies to lay the groundwork for pursuing career options after their playing days are over.

Although most players come to Ohio State with a dream to one day play in the NFL, the OSU football program provides opportunities for players to explore their options and prepare ahead of time for a life and career after football.

Having gone through the Ohio State football program and been in attendance for these job fairs during his time as a Buckeye, former OSU linebacker Camren Williams brought an interesting perspective to the players from his current position as a New England Patriots Area Scout.

His is a true testimony of getting a real job after his playing days as a Buckeye ended.

“Opportunities like this with the networking workshops and the shadowing experiences and all of that really gives the players a good perspective and understanding of what it takes to be successful outside of football,” Williams said. “That’s really what’s important because that’s what’s going to last in the long run.”

Although the job fair did not yet exist when Williams was a freshman or a sophomore, it came at just the right time for him. At the beginning of his career as a Buckeye, Williams was really only focused on ball.

Time and change, however, will surely show.

“As it got going it really timed up perfect for me that these opportunities were given,” he said of the job fair and his late-blooming focus on life after football.

As time went on, Williams began focusing more on the next step. Sports were always the center of every internship that he looked at. He explored a variety of different fields, but it was always about sports. That’s when the discussion began about pursuing a job as an NFL scout.

“I wanted to be in football,” he said.
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This is what Cam Williams has to show for his work with the Pats.
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Entire article: https://theozone.net/2018/06/former-buckeye-cam-williams-opportunity/
 
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NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS SCOUT CAMREN WILLIAMS SETTING EXAMPLE OF POST-PLAYING CAREER SUCCESS FOR OHIO STATE FOOTBALL PLAYERS

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Camren Williams, like many others who have played football for Ohio State, has gone on to have a career in the NFL since playing for the Buckeyes. Unlike most of those others, however, Williams has done so without ever playing a down in the league.

The New England Patriots hired Williams, a linebacker for Ohio State from 2012-15, as a scouting assistant in February 2016. Now, Williams is going into his third year with the reigning AFC champions, with the Patriots recently promoting him to the role of area scout.

As Williams begins to climb the ladder of the Patriots’ scouting department, he says his experiences playing football for Ohio State have gone a long way in enabling him to now be successful on the front office side of the sport.

"My best experience that prepared me for this job was my experience on the football field," Williams said. "Sitting in the meeting rooms with (former Ohio State coach) Luke Fickell, sitting in the meeting rooms with (Ohio State defensive line coach) Larry Johnson and (former Ohio State assistant coaches) Everett Withers and Chris Ash and all those guys, that’s what really got me ready for this. And I’m indebted to those people for the rest of my life."

Williams repaid some of that debt to Ohio State by attending the football program’s annual job fair at Ohio State on Friday, where he and another member of the Patriots’ scouting staff met with some of the current Buckeyes to trade business cards and answer their questions about working as a scout. Williams also spoke to the team as a group prior to Friday’s event.



Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...laying-career-success-for-ohio-state-football
 
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