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tibor75

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shouldn't they be considered "earned" since it's still his fault they scored. I thought of this as I was at the Pirates game yesterday and the carbon blob pitching for the Pirates committed an error in the 8th inning with 2 outs and the Twins proceeded to score 3 runs after that. But none of them were earned.
 
Good observation but it makes too much sense to ever be adopted as a rule! :biggrin: Plus, someone like Brandon Claussen would figure out that if you were under pressure, and made an error, you're ERA wouldn't suffer...
 
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NFBuck said:
Wait a minute...somebody went to a Pirates game?
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why not?

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tibor75 said:
shouldn't they be considered "earned" since it's still his fault they scored. I thought of this as I was at the Pirates game yesterday and the carbon blob pitching for the Pirates committed an error in the 8th inning with 2 outs and the Twins proceeded to score 3 runs after that. But none of them were earned.
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I've thought about that, too. Make the play and then you don't need to worry about whether they're earned or unearned. If it's an error on the pitcher, I think the runs should be "earned."
 
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I've thought that from time to time, too... that if it's the pitcher's own damn fault, the runs should be charged to his ERA...

However, ERA is a pitching statistic. Errors are a defensive statistic. The number of errors a pitcher has shouldn't inflate his ERA, since it has no relevance to his ability to throw pitches in a manner that gets hitters out.

Besides, think about what ERA is... It's "earned run" average, not "runs given up" average. It really should be reflective of how well opposing offenses do against a particular pitcher. If there is an error, the hitting team hasn't earned anything.
 
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When are they going to realize that baseball would be much more interesting if they would invent some kind of rapid-pitching cannon, and have a guy out there with a bucket of balls (most of them are baseballs) and he loads the cannon and fires balls at a rate of anywhere between 30 bpm (balls per minute) and 120 bpm. Called strikes wouldn't count, of course, as no one would expect him to hit any of the first three pitches. But maybe he gets a three-second time-limit. Or a shot-clock.

Maybe there ought not be a catcher, either. Or maybe there is, but he isn't expected to catch any of the pitches. He just gets one of those couch-cushions the little-league umpires get, and he hides behind it until the three seconds are up.
 
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When are they going to realize that baseball would be much more interesting if they would invent some kind of rapid-pitching cannon, and have a guy out there with a bucket of balls (most of them are baseballs) and he loads the cannon and fires balls at a rate of anywhere between 30 bpm (balls per minute) and 120 bpm. Called strikes wouldn't count, of course, as no one would expect him to hit any of the first three pitches. But maybe he gets a three-second time-limit. Or a shot-clock.

Maybe there ought not be a catcher, either. Or maybe there is, but he isn't expected to catch any of the pitches. He just gets one of those couch-cushions the little-league umpires get, and he hides behind it until the three seconds are up.
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Zurp said:
When are they going to realize that baseball would be much more interesting if they would invent some kind of rapid-pitching cannon, and have a guy out there with a bucket of balls (most of them are baseballs) and he loads the cannon and fires balls at a rate of anywhere between 30 bpm (balls per minute) and 120 bpm. Called strikes wouldn't count, of course, as no one would expect him to hit any of the first three pitches. But maybe he gets a three-second time-limit. Or a shot-clock.

Maybe there ought not be a catcher, either. Or maybe there is, but he isn't expected to catch any of the pitches. He just gets one of those couch-cushions the little-league umpires get, and he hides behind it until the three seconds are up.
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Is there a rule that says you have to have a catcher? Because if there are no runners on base and less than 2 strikes, the catcher really serves no purpose. So, let him go line up between 2nd base and 1st base and become an extra fielder. Why not?
 
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tibor75 said:
Is there a rule that says you have to have a catcher? Because if there are no runners on base and less than 2 strikes, the catcher really serves no purpose. So, let him go line up between 2nd base and 1st base and become an extra fielder. Why not?
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Is this considered "thinking outside the box".....lol....I like your thinking.

It may piss off the umpire, but most of them are already mad about something. Plus, a good bunter would take advantage of no catcher....and as a pitcher, it is easier to throw at a target.
 
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tibor75 said:
Is there a rule that says you have to have a catcher? Because if there are no runners on base and less than 2 strikes, the catcher really serves no purpose. So, let him go line up between 2nd base and 1st base and become an extra fielder. Why not?
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According to the quote Princess Peach gave, the catcher has to be in the "catcher's box" at the time the ball is put in play. Is that the time that the ball leaves the pitcher's hand, or the moment he starts his wind-up? I guess if it's the moment he starts his wind-up, the pitcher could take a long time to wind up, and the catcher can go play defense somewhere else. If it's the moment the ball leaves his hand, maybe the catcher could be "running in motion," and just happen to be in the catcher's box at the moment the ball leaves the pitcher's hand. Then, the catcher should be able to out-run the batter to first, making him the first-baseman. The first-baseman, meanwhile, could be playing an extra infield or outfirend position.
 
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