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D1A Coaching Comparison

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Dryden

Dryden

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Now that the 2005 season is over, and there is a few months downtime until spring practices begin, I'm going to work out a series of coach/program comparisons sorted by different criteria.

The impetus for this is that I am simply curious how JT really stacks up against other top D1A coaches around the country, not just in terms of pure Ws and Ls, but also 'big game' coaching records, talent sent to the NFL, academics, etc.

This data will be introduced as a series of posts, with this, the first installment, being the most straightforward; charting a head coaches' programs' wins and losses over the past five seasons. All of our friends who have found their way over here from Hornfans, Orangebloods, etc. are certain to enjoy this.

More goodies will follow periodically over the next several months.

ACTIVE HEAD COACHES + PROGRAMS OVER FIVE FULL SEASONS (WIN %)

Selection Criteria:
1. The head coach must have held his position with one university for five or more full seasons.
2. The head coach must have a winning record through the previous five seasons.
2. The head coach must have had at least one nine win season in any of the previous five seasons.
3. The head coach must have had at least one bowl win in any of the previous five seasons.
<pre><b>Coach School ALL WIN % 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 BOWL BCS</b><br><br>Mack Brown Texas 56- 8 .875 11- 2 11- 2 10- 3 11- 1 13- 0 4- 1 2- 0<br>Larry Coker Miami (Fla.) 53- 9 .855 12- 0 12- 1 11- 2 9- 3 9- 3 3- 2 2- 1<br>Pete Carroll Southern Cal 54-10 .844 6- 6 11- 2 12- 1 13- 0 12- 1 3- 2 3- 1<br>Bob Stoops Oklahoma 55-11 .833 11- 2 12- 2 12- 2 12- 1 8- 4 3- 2 1- 2<br>Mark Richt Georgia 52-13 .800 8- 4 13- 1 11- 3 10- 2 10- 3 3- 2 1- 1<br>Jim Tressel Ohio State 50-13 .794 7- 5 14- 0 11- 2 8- 4 10- 2 4- 1 3- 0<br>Tommy Tuberville Auburn 46-17 .730 7- 5 9- 4 8- 5 13- 0 9- 3 3- 2 1- 0<br>Kirk Ferentz Iowa 45-17 .726 7- 5 11- 2 10- 3 10- 2 7- 5 3- 2 0- 1<br>Frank Beamer Virginia Tech 47-18 .723 8- 4 10- 4 8- 5 10- 3 11- 2 2- 3 0- 1<br>Gary Patterson TCU 43-17 .717 6- 6 10- 2 11- 2 5- 6 11- 1 2- 2 <br>Tom Amstutz Toledo 45-18 .714 10- 2 9- 5 8- 4 9- 4 9- 3 2- 2 <br>Lloyd Carr Michigan 44-18 .710 8- 4 10- 3 10- 3 9- 3 7- 5 1- 4 0- 2<br>Phillip Fulmer Tennessee 44-19 .698 11- 2 8- 5 10- 3 10- 3 5- 6 2- 2 <br>Tom O'Brien Boston College 43-19 .694 8- 4 9- 4 8- 5 9- 3 9- 3 5- 0 <br>Bobby Bowden Florida State 44-20 .688 8- 4 9- 5 10- 3 9- 3 8- 5 2- 3 0- 3<br>Pat Hill Fresno State 46-21 .687 11- 3 9- 5 9- 5 9- 3 8- 5 3- 2 <br>Joe Novak N. Illinois 40-19 .678 6- 5 8- 4 10- 2 9- 3 7- 5 1- 0 <br>Mike Bellotti Oregon 41-20 .672 11- 1 7- 6 8- 5 5- 6 10- 2 1- 3 1- 0<br>Ralph Friedgen Maryland 41-20 .672 10- 2 11- 3 10- 3 5- 6 5- 6 2- 1 0- 1<br>Mike Leach Texas Tech 41-22 .651 7- 5 9- 5 8- 5 8- 4 9- 3 3- 2 <br>Rich Rodriguez West Virginia 39-22 .634 3- 8 9- 4 8- 5 8- 4 11- 1 1- 3 1- 0<br>June Jones Hawaii 41-24 .631 9- 3 10- 4 9- 5 8- 5 5- 7 2- 1 <br>Chuck Amato NC State 38-24 .613 7- 5 11- 3 8- 5 5- 6 7- 5 3- 1 <br>Tommy Bowden Clemson 37-24 .607 7- 5 7- 6 9- 4 6- 5 8- 4 3- 1 <br>Glen Mason Minnesota 36-25 .590 4- 7 8- 5 10- 3 7- 5 7- 5 3- 1 <br>Jeff Bower S. Mississippi 36-25 .590 6- 5 7- 6 9- 4 7- 5 7- 5 2- 2 <br>Al Groh Virginia 37-26 .587 5- 7 9- 5 8- 5 8- 4 7- 5 3- 1 <br>Houston Nutt Arkansas 34-27 .557 7- 5 9- 5 9- 4 5- 6 4- 7 1- 2 <br>Joe Tiller Purdue 34-27 .557 6- 6 7- 6 9- 4 7- 5 5- 6 1- 3 <br>Sonny Lubick Colorado State 34-28 .548 7- 5 10- 4 7- 6 4- 7 6- 6 1- 3 <br>Dirk Koetter Arizona State 33-28 .541 4- 7 8- 6 5- 7 9- 3 7- 5 2- 1 <br>Tommy West Memphis 32-28 .533 5- 6 3- 9 9- 4 8- 4 7- 5 2- 1 <br>Joe Paterno Penn State 32-27 .524 5- 6 9- 4 3- 9 4- 7 11- 1 1- 1 1- 0<br>Randy Edsall Connecticut 30-28 .517 2- 9 6- 6 9- 3 8- 4 5- 6 1- 0 <br>Darrell Dickey North Texas 31-30 .508 5- 7 8- 5 9- 4 7- 5 2- 9 1- 3 <br></pre>
 
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The 'no 10-win season' criterion omitted Tom O'Brien of Boston College.

Too bad, since he's 43-19 and 5-0 in bowls, he has a better record than almost half the guys on the list.

Great topic, Dry, I'm looking forward to the other posts in your series.
 
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The 'no 10-win season' criterion omitted Tom O'Brien of Boston College.

Too bad, since he's 43-19 and 5-0 in bowls, he has a better record than almost half the guys on the list.
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Correct. Unfortunately, I had to draw the line somewhere. The 10-win season plateau also omits Mike Leach of Texas Tech and Joe Tiller of Purdue, among others.

The 5+ years at one program prerequisite also results in the omission of current fashionable hires like Urban Meyer and Les Miles. Barry Alverez is forgotten since he isn't the coach of Wisconsin any longer. Eh, there's a lot of ways to do this.
 
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ACTIVE HEAD COACHES + PROGRAMS OVER FIVE FULL SEASONS (NFL DRAFT PICKS)

Selection Criteria:
(see above)
<pre><b>Coach School TOTAL 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006</b><br><br>Larry Coker Miami (Fla.) 42(17) 11( 5) 8( 4) 9( 6) 5( 1) 9( 1)<br>Jim Tressel Ohio State 39( 8) 8 5 14( 3) 3 9( 5)<br>Mark Richt Georgia 32( 6) 8( 1) 7( 2) 4( 1) 6( 2) 7<br>Bobby Bowden Florida State 30( 7) 2( 1) 6 5 9( 2) 8( 4)<br>Phillip Fulmer Tennessee 30( 4) 10( 3) 8 4 3 5( 1)<br>Pete Carroll Southern Cal 27( 7) 2 5( 2) 4( 1) 5( 2) 11( 2)<br>Frank Beamer Virginia Tech 27( 2) 8 2 5( 2) 3 9<br>Bob Stoops Oklahoma 26( 6) 2( 1) 4( 1) 3( 1) 11( 2) 6( 1)<br>Kirk Ferentz Iowa 20( 3) 3 5( 1) 5( 1) 5 2( 1)<br>Lloyd Carr Michigan 20( 3) 4 6 4( 1) 3( 2) 3<br>Mack Brown Texas 19( 8) 2( 2) 4 4( 2) 3( 2) 6( 2)<br>Mike Bellotti Oregon 19( 2) 6( 1) 3 4 2 4( 1)<br>Joe Paterno Penn State 18( 5) 2 6( 4) 4 6( 1)<br>Al Groh Virginia 18( 2) 3 2 1 7( 1) 5( 1)<br>Joe Tiller Purdue 17 2 1 9 1 4<br>Tommy Tuberville Auburn 16( 5) 3( 1) 4 5( 4) 4<br>Chuck Amato NC State 16( 4) 2 2 3( 1) 3 6( 3)<br>Ralph Friedgen Maryland 14( 2) 3 1 5 2( 1) 3( 1)<br>Dirk Koetter Arizona State 14( 2) 4( 1) 3( 1) 2 3 2<br>Houston Nutt Arkansas 11( 3) 1 1 6( 2) 2( 1) 1<br>Pat Hill Fresno State 11( 2) 4( 1) 1 1 2( 1) 3<br>Tom O'Brien Boston College 10( 2) 2( 1) 3 2 3( 1)<br>Glen Mason Minnesota 10( 1) 3 1 1 1 4( 1)<br>Tommy Bowden Clemson 10( 1) 2 2 3 3( 1)<br>Mike Leach Texas Tech 9 1 2 2 3 1<br>Gary Patterson TCU 8 1 2 1 1 3<br>Jeff Bower S. Mississippi 8 2 1 3 2<br>Rich Rodriguez West Virginia 7( 1) 2 1 3( 1) 1<br>June Jones Hawaii 7( 1) 1( 1) 3 2 1<br>Tommy West Memphis 5( 1) 2 1 2( 1)<br>Sonny Lubick Colorado State 5 3 1 1<br>Tom Amstutz Toledo 4 1 1 1 1<br>Joe Novak N. Illinois 2 1 1<br>Randy Edsall Connecticut 2 2<br>Darrell Dickey North Texas 1 1<br></pre>* This table lists the number of total draft picks (1st round selections in parenthesis) produced under the tenure of the same 35 coaches listed previously.

This is, of course, a work in progress pending the upcoming 2006 NFL Draft.

Some way too early observations:

1. How does Larry Coker fire a staff that has helped produce 16 first round draft picks in five years?

2. Where does this place Mack Brown? He has (unfairly) taken lumps the last four years after losses to Oklahoma, but now stands with a MNC, two straight Rose Bowl victories, and the best winning percentage of the lot. He's done all this despite placing in the middle of the pack with NFL talent production and recruiting classes that aren't ranked nearly as high as many of his peers, despite the mythic proportions that the "recruiting national champion" jokes have taken recently.

3. If you translate the NFL potential that NFL Scouts see at the combine into collegiate wins for the program, then Phillip Fulmer, Bobby Bowden, and Lloyd Carr have done less with more than any other coaches in D1A. Of course, you didn't need to see this chart to know that, did you?

4. Between the 2003 - 2005 NFL drafts, Miami and Ohio State each had exactly 22 players drafted. It is pretty close to being the starting 44 from the 2003 Fiesta Bowl. However, going back to the doing less with more suggestion, it's probably worth noting that Miami's roster included 11 1st round draft picks to OSU's 3.
 
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ACTIVE HEAD COACHES + PROGRAMS OVER FIVE FULL SEASONS (RECRUITING RANKS)

Selection Criteria:
(see above -- filtered to remove programs with no Top 25 class ranks)
<pre><b>Coach School RR % 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006</b><br><br>Pete Carroll Southern Cal .160 12/13 1/ 3 1/ 1 6/ 1 1/ 1<br>Bob Stoops Oklahoma .220 2/ 7 3/ 4 7/ 8 5/ 3 7/ 9<br>Mark Richt Georgia .252 9/ 3 11/ 6 6/ 6 4/10 4/ 4<br>Bobby Bowden Florida State .280 6/ 4 12/21 4/ 3 3/ 2 12/ 3<br>Larry Coker Miami (Fla.) .308 4/ 8 6/ 5 3/ 4 12/ 7 14/14<br>Mack Brown Texas .372 1/ 1 14/16 10/10 13/20 3/ 5<br>Lloyd Carr Michigan .390 19/16 8/17 5/ 5 2/ 6 9/13<br>Phillip Fulmer Tennessee .416 5/ 2 7/18 9/11 1/ 4 24/23<br>Jim Tressel Ohio State .488 3/ 5 25 11/ 9 7/12 13/12<br>Tommy Tuberville Auburn .576 11/ 6 16/11 /21 22/13 9/10<br>Joe Paterno Penn State .700 16/21 12/14 /25 6/ 6<br>Al Groh Virginia .768 10/12 17/20 25 14/19<br>Chuck Amato NC State .836 9/ 7 20 23<br>Kirk Ferentz Iowa .876 8/11<br>Ralph Friedgen Maryland .884 22 16/17 25/16<br>Tommy Bowden Clemson .888 /22 21/17 22/15<br>Mike Leach Texas Tech .892 14 17 17/25<br>Mike Bellotti Oregon .908 15/12<br>Frank Beamer Virginia Tech .912 21 18/14<br>Dirk Koetter Arizona State .952 /18 /22 23<br>Houston Nutt Arkansas .972 24 23 /22 /24<br>Joe Tiller Purdue .980 /20<br>Tom O'Brien Boston College .992 /24 /24<br></pre>* This table lists the final recruiting rank (Scout/Rivals) for each recruiting class under the tenure of 23 of the 35 coaches listed previously.

RR % is a composite score for all listed recruiting classes. The percentage is computed by adding all class ranks from both services (no rank = 25) / 250. Is this a great scientific method for weighting recruiting muscle over a five year period? No. But neither is asking someone like Tom Lemming to sort and chart 10,000 17 and 18 year old teens based on their potential.

More way too early observations:

1. Thanks go to BB73 for pointing out an omission in my originally selected group. I had a criteria which required a 10 win season, which unfairly cut a couple of great coaches out of my original list, such as Boston College's Tom O'Brien, who is 43-19 with a perfect 5-0 bowl record over 5 years. I'm glad this was pointed out so that I could alter the criteria to get O'Brien, Mike Leach, and others in, because the results are staggering.

For example, compare the winning percentages of Michigan, Tennessee, Florida State, and Boston College in the first table, then consider those four schools' recruiting ranks and draft production. The Noles, Vols, and Wolverines are, by consensus, getting the best athletes out of high school, and, by NFL draft results, are putting those players in the NFL. So where are the wins? Tom O'Brien, by comparison, is pacing these three national powers with nowhere near the same quality of four or five star talent.

2. Larry Coker and Mark Richt are the only two coaches in the Top 5 of all three lists. Good recruits coming in, winning games for the program, then going on to the NFL.

3. Al Groh is lucky to be at Virginia. With the talent input/output according to the recruiting ranks and NFL draft, he should be winning far many more games than he has been.
 
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For example, compare the winning percentages of Michigan, Tennessee, Florida State, and Boston College in the first table, then consider those four schools' recruiting ranks and draft production. The Noles, Vols, and Wolverines are, by consensus, getting the best athletes out of high school, and, by NFL draft results, are putting those players in the NFL. So where are the wins? Tom O'Brien, by comparison, is pacing these three national powers with nowhere near the same quality of four or five star talent.

2. Larry Coker and Mark Richt are the only two coaches in the Top 5 of all three lists. Good recruits coming in, winning games for the program, then going on to the NFL.
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This shows just how great Tressel is. Despite being in the middle of the pack in recruiting classes, he's near the top in talent development and way up there in on-field results.
 
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Dryden said:
Now that the 2005 season is over, and there is a few months downtime until spring practices begin, I'm going to work out a series of coach/program comparisons sorted by different criteria.

The impetus for this is that I am simply curious how JT really stacks up against other top D1A coaches around the country, not just in terms of pure Ws and Ls, but also 'big game' coaching records, talent sent to the NFL, academics, etc.

This data will be introduced as a series of posts, with this, the first installment, being the most straightforward; charting a head coaches' programs' wins and losses over the past five seasons. All of our friends who have found their way over here from Hornfans, Orangebloods, etc. are certain to enjoy this.

More goodies will follow periodically over the next several months.

ACTIVE HEAD COACHES + PROGRAMS OVER FIVE FULL SEASONS (WIN %)

Selection Criteria:
1. The head coach must have held his position with one university for five or more full seasons.
2. The head coach must have a winning record through the previous five seasons.
2. The head coach must have had at least one nine win season in any of the previous five seasons.
3. The head coach must have had at least one bowl win in any of the previous five seasons.


Coach School ALL WIN % 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 BOWL BCS

Mack Brown Texas 56- 8 .875 11- 2 11- 2 10- 3 11- 1 13- 0 4- 1 2- 0
Larry Coker Miami (Fla.) 53- 9 .855 12- 0 12- 1 11- 2 9- 3 9- 3 3- 2 2- 1
Pete Carroll Southern Cal 54-10 .844 6- 6 11- 2 12- 1 13- 0 12- 1 3- 2 3- 1
Bob Stoops Oklahoma 55-11 .833 11- 2 12- 2 12- 2 12- 1 8- 4 3- 2 1- 2
Mark Richt Georgia 52-13 .800 8- 4 13- 1 11- 3 10- 2 10- 3 3- 2 1- 1
Jim Tressel Ohio State 50-13 .794 7- 5 14- 0 11- 2 8- 4 10- 2 4- 1 3- 0
Tommy Tuberville Auburn 46-17 .730 7- 5 9- 4 8- 5 13- 0 9- 3 3- 2 1- 0
Kirk Ferentz Iowa 45-17 .726 7- 5 11- 2 10- 3 10- 2 7- 5 3- 2 0- 1
Frank Beamer Virginia Tech 47-18 .723 8- 4 10- 4 8- 5 10- 3 11- 2 2- 3 0- 1
Gary Patterson TCU 43-17 .717 6- 6 10- 2 11- 2 5- 6 11- 1 2- 2
Tom Amstutz Toledo 45-18 .714 10- 2 9- 5 8- 4 9- 4 9- 3 2- 2
Lloyd Carr Michigan 44-18 .710 8- 4 10- 3 10- 3 9- 3 7- 5 1- 4 0- 2
Phillip Fulmer Tennessee 44-19 .698 11- 2 8- 5 10- 3 10- 3 5- 6 2- 2
Tom O'Brien Boston College 43-19 .694 8- 4 9- 4 8- 5 9- 3 9- 3 5- 0
Bobby Bowden Florida State 44-20 .688 8- 4 9- 5 10- 3 9- 3 8- 5 2- 3 0- 3
Pat Hill Fresno State 46-21 .687 11- 3 9- 5 9- 5 9- 3 8- 5 3- 2
Joe Novak N. Illinois 40-19 .678 6- 5 8- 4 10- 2 9- 3 7- 5 1- 0
Mike Bellotti Oregon 41-20 .672 11- 1 7- 6 8- 5 5- 6 10- 2 1- 3 1- 0
Ralph Friedgen Maryland 41-20 .672 10- 2 11- 3 10- 3 5- 6 5- 6 2- 1 0- 1
Mike Leach Texas Tech 41-22 .651 7- 5 9- 5 8- 5 8- 4 9- 3 3- 2
Rich Rodriguez West Virginia 39-22 .634 3- 8 9- 4 8- 5 8- 4 11- 1 1- 3 1- 0
June Jones Hawaii 41-24 .631 9- 3 10- 4 9- 5 8- 5 5- 7 2- 1
Chuck Amato NC State 38-24 .613 7- 5 11- 3 8- 5 5- 6 7- 5 3- 1
Tommy Bowden Clemson 37-24 .607 7- 5 7- 6 9- 4 6- 5 8- 4 3- 1
Glen Mason Minnesota 36-25 .590 4- 7 8- 5 10- 3 7- 5 7- 5 3- 1
Jeff Bower S. Mississippi 36-25 .590 6- 5 7- 6 9- 4 7- 5 7- 5 2- 2
Al Groh Virginia 37-26 .587 5- 7 9- 5 8- 5 8- 4 7- 5 3- 1
Houston Nutt Arkansas 34-27 .557 7- 5 9- 5 9- 4 5- 6 4- 7 1- 2
Joe Tiller Purdue 34-27 .557 6- 6 7- 6 9- 4 7- 5 5- 6 1- 3
Sonny Lubick Colorado State 34-28 .548 7- 5 10- 4 7- 6 4- 7 6- 6 1- 3
Dirk Koetter Arizona State 33-28 .541 4- 7 8- 6 5- 7 9- 3 7- 5 2- 1
Tommy West Memphis 32-28 .533 5- 6 3- 9 9- 4 8- 4 7- 5 2- 1
Joe Paterno Penn State 32-27 .524 5- 6 9- 4 3- 9 4- 7 11- 1 1- 1 1- 0
Randy Edsall Connecticut 30-28 .517 2- 9 6- 6 9- 3 8- 4 5- 6 1- 0
Darrell Dickey North Texas 31-30 .508 5- 7 8- 5 9- 4 7- 5 2- 9 1- 3
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Very nice work
 
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Coach...........school........total...2002...2003...2004...2005...2006
Jim Tressel...Ohio State...30(3).....8.......5.......14(3)....3.......?
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Very good stuff in this thread. Nice job Dryden!

We will fill in the draft pick blank for 2006 by gaining on, or passing Miami (but obviously not in first rounders); and pulling a little further out on Georgia & Tennessee.

Maybe you could reorganize it so the drafted group could align with the last year they played. It would be easier to follow. and would show how that group affected the corresponding game year. (and it wouldn't leave a question mark :wink: )
 
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Excellent thread, Dryden. Keep it coming.

Will be interested to see how you address academics. I suspect Richt and Tressel will continue to rise to the top under that analysis.

One indicator I've always thought would provide some good insights (but I've never seen it) would be a "recruiting yield ratio" (measured by seasons/scholarship). That is, how many seasons does the coach get from each scholarship awarded? It's not a perfect measure (influence of red-shirts and players leaving early for NFL would be a confound). But all else equal, those who recruit thugs and academic washouts would have lower ratios than those who build character and have real academic standards. Anyway, it's just a thought. Don't know how difficult it would be to compile such data.
 
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