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Sept. 12, 2005

Monday Morning QB
Week Two

By Matthew Zemek | Week 1

I. Jim Tressel’s Unfair Crucifixion

My, my, how the vultures are out in Columbus. This makes precious little sense.

First, some minor but still relevant numbers:

Total Troy Smith passing yards: 78. Total Justin Zwick passing yards: 66. Total Smith completions: 5. Total Zwick completions: 9.

But now, some even more substantial facts: who made what should have been the biggest clutch play of the game, a decisive touchdown pass to tight end Ryan Hamby? Zwick. Blame Hamby for this loss, not Tressel or Zwick, who—let’s face it—played a very mature game in which he avoided any picks. This was not the same Justin Zwick who was so turnover-prone last season. He did what he could; his tight end let him down in a big way.

Smith had one perfect TD throw to Santonio Holmes (who, by the way, was the best player on the field for either team Saturday night, hands down), but otherwise did precious little to advance the Bucks’ cause.

Ohio State fans need to remember that stopping Vince Young actually wasn’t the foremost cause for concern going in. The biggest cause for worry in Columbus was the Bucks’ offense. With Smith suspended for the Miami-Ohio game, he was going to be rusty, and nothing could ever have changed or prevented that from being the case. Ohio State was going to face some inherent limitations in terms of its ability to throw lots of plays and packages at the Longhorns. Given this reality, it was not only comfortable but smart for Tressel to try to win this game the way he usually likes to win games: with defense, Andy Groom-style punting from A.J. Trapasso, and Josh Huston’s Mike Nugent-like field goal kicking. We’ve seen this movie before, and just because the Bucks didn’t win doesn’t mean that Tressel should feel heat.

Was it his fault Hamby didn’t snare that end zone pass from Zwick, who—as Gary Danielson noted—made both a great read and throw on the play?

Was it Tressel’s fault that Huston barely missed a long field goal that was struck well?

Was it Tressel’s fault that Smith didn’t play in the season opener, thereby creating a problematic situation under center?

The only thing Tressel should have done differently was to allow Texas to score with two minutes left to go up 30-22, but give the Bucks a legitimate shot at a tie with a not-too-hurried possession. All in all, though, Tressel played this game the way he wanted to, in terms of tempo and style. Why exactly he’s coming under fire from his fan base is beyond me.
 
CFN said:
Was it his fault Hamby didn’t snare that end zone pass from Zwick, who—as Gary Danielson noted—made both a great read and throw on the play?

Was it Tressel’s fault that Huston barely missed a long field goal that was struck well?

Was it Tressel’s fault that Smith didn’t play in the season opener, thereby creating a problematic situation under center?
Of course it is if you listen to the guys who only post after a loss and only want to "discuss" things "without the blinders" :wink2:


CFN said:
Why exactly he’s coming under fire from his fan base is beyond me.
Me too Matthew...me too.
 
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Blame Hamby for this loss, not Tressel or Zwick

As much as I hate to see this, hate to *think* it, really - this was the play that played over and over in my head as I restlessly was laying awake Saturday night. First, I was upset at Ryan, but the more I think about it, I feel bad for him. As upset as all of us are, how does he feel? He'll be reliving this moment the rest of his life and wishing he'd brought that pass in. What a bummer. :(

But I hate to 'blame' anyone for a loss. It's a team game - lots of missed opportunities. Lots of great plays, too. Certainly a classic.
 
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Yep. I agree. Hamby's drop was probably the most visible mistake, but by no means the only one. That game was so close that there were many plays in which if our players did one thing differently, we would have won.
 
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Tressel will always take heat and second guessing after a loss in Columbus, it comes with the job. Even Woody took heat.

Great article by the way.....My thoughts are that the offense will be fine once the quarterback position gets settled. Zwick played well at times and Smith played well at times, their stats are comparable and they really didn't seperate themselves.

It is a team game and Hamby feels just as bad as everyone else. He is a great kid and he will catch that ball 9 times out of 10.

Lets regroup and focus on San Diego State, because if they don't, it will be a battle this Saturday. This is where the senior leadership is needed, time to refocus.
 
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Smith had one perfect TD throw to Santonio Holmes (who, by the way, was the best player on the field for either team Saturday night, hands down), but otherwise did precious little to advance the Bucks’ cause.

Did he watch A.J. Hawk, hawk Vince Young. Santonio played well, but I'm not sure if he was hands down the best player.
 
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While I do think that Tressel was out-coached, I can't comprehend the BN dumbasses that are calling for his head. He played his gameplan, and had any one of numerous things gone the other way, he would have a W instead of an L. Not his best job, but still the guy I want on the sidelines, bar none.
 
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Mack Brown did not out coach JT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The coaches put the players in the position to execute and they did not on a few plays ( Hamby's drop) If they played 10 times in the shoe, Ohio state wins 9. When you play the number 2 team in the country there is a chance that you can lose the game.. I am glad we played them even if I knew they would lose.. Since we are talking about coaches.. Mack Brown will not dissapoint and will lose to someone that they should not... He is no Jim Tressel and his name should not be in the same sentence... :oh: :io:
 
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Me too Matthew...me too.

the conscern has always been there that tressel can't coach a wide open highly talented team. people point to tressel's history here at tOSU. personally i never gave the arguements much thought because when you look at the players involved in those teams... he was playing to the strength of those teams.

after last night those things didn't suddenly become fact in my mind. but they without question have managed to form a beachead. i have always thought tressel played to the strength of his offense. last night (imho) he clearly did not. i think that is the basis for most of the knee jerk reaction. i know its the basis of mine. all this time ive been stating that tressel plays to the strength of his team. the first opportunity he has to do that in a truely big game infront of the world... he doesn't.

maybe tressel saw something on film that he thought he could exploit in the texas d that just wasn't there. maybe he just had an off game. maybe he thought we could hold texas off with a 6 point lead for 3 quarters. i honestly don't know. but i do know blaiming hamby for dropping a perfect pass in the endzone isn't the answer. blaming huston for missing a 50 yrder by half a yard isn't the answer.

as a coach you have to assume that in a big play situation like that your players are going to make the plays. and sometimes they are not going to make the plays. execution on that particular play should not have mattered beyond how many points we managed to put up on that particular drive. you don't change your entire mindset in a game because hamby drops a single ball that he flat out should have caught in the endzone. you don't abandon the shotginn because ginn dropped 2 balls. you have to believe in your paly makers, you have to believe that yes, he screwed up but im going to give him the opportunity to make it right. im not going to abandon something that has proven itself over and over again to be wildly successful because of a few unforced errors. these are my guys, i trust them. if im going to loose im going to loose because i trusted them to win and they didn't. not because i didn't trust them and tied their hands.
 
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Martinss, good post. However, he is damned if he does and damned if he does not.

People wanted a wide open attack...they got it, but now complain about not running enough. 3rd and 4 or 5, we throw the fade. How many fans screamed for that type of gutsy call last year? Probably the same amount (and probably the same people) now screaming that he should have run it.

Martinss, I know what kind of poster you are, so this rant is not directed to you bro, but sometimes I wonder if some of the armchair coaches who are always so smart in hindsight actually understand the thought processes in a game. Everything is based on tendencies and calls against what you have studied SHOULD happen. This all happens in the span of about 30 seconds...you must find out down/distance, get personnel in/out, listen to the opinions of other coaches, and make a call fast enough for the offense to get to the line and have enough time to get the play off.

The same thing is going on with the defense...same procedure, same call procedure.

It is damn easy to make the right choice when you are not in the cooker...or even looking back on the choice and weighing results.

I'd say JT trusted his playmakers...they didn't perform. JT did not miss one tackle, did not drop one pass, or miss a FG.

He put the team in a position to win the ballgame...that is his job.
 
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