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Cwood24

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Mallett's speed- or lack thereof, is being greatly exaggerated on this board. In terms of speed he's about a hair slow than Jimmy Clausen, who every recruiting analyst is hyping up as the next coming of Joe Montana. Sure Ryan doesn't have alot of top end speed, but he's got very good footwork and he gets into his drops very quickly. The bashing of his speed is just not justified in my opinion. Ryan certainly isn't fast, but I don't know if playing with "cinder-block cleats" is what I'd call it. John Navarre was "cinder-block" cleats if I ever saw it, and I just don't think Mallett is that slow. He's got much quicker foot speed than Navarre from what I've seen. Mallett plays against some of the best competition in a state like Texas, and he did rush for 6 touchdowns last year. I'm not so sure that somebody with "cinder-block cleats" on could run for 6 touchdowns against that type of competition. Lots and lots of D-1 players Mallett goes up against week in and week out.

Besides at Michigan Ryan will not be asked to run the ball at all. Tom Brady or Peyton Manning couldn't crack a 5.2-40 at their NFL combines. Is there really one QB in the NFL you'd take over either of those guys? In terms of playing QB, speed is about the least important thing on the list in my eyes, especially in a pro-style WCO that Michigan runs. What really matters is the QB's ability to feel the rush and evade the rush by: calling audibles and sliding protetctions, stepping to the left or right or stepping up into the pocket, and knowing when to roll out and to which side. On tape Mallett displays all of those things as well as any QB you'll see in the nation. Mallett also is a terrific ball-handler. He sells the play-action extremely well and he's very adept at hiding the ball. The kid also has a beautiful pump fake. Bottom line this kid is a very good ball-handler.

Having said all of that, I do see some some minor flaws in his mechanics and he does throw off of this back-foot at times and short-arm passes, but you've got to remember here that he HAS to do those things to take heat off of his passes. The kid has an accurate arm though, a quick release, very good pocket awareness, and he handles the ball well.

Everything you've heard about his arm is 100% accurate. This kid has a cannon and his arm is already much stronger than Chad Henne's. Last year at the Michigan camp he was dislocating receivers fingers and shredding their gloves. Class of 2006 Michigan signee Quintin Patilla was on local Ann Arbor radio talking about his experiences at Michigan's summer camp, and he shared his stories about playing wide receiver and catching passes from Chad Henne at one camp, and then catching passes from Ryan Mallett at the camp a year later. Anywho, Patilla was talking about Ryan's arm in comparison to Chad's, and he said that Chad never threw 60 yard bombs on a rope over the course of the day and completely shredded his gloves in the process. Patilla said Mallett's arm was a hell of alot stronger than Chad's and that he had never seen anything like it.

At least years Elite 11 camp when Mallett and Clausen were the junior ball-boys, Mallett took home the longest throw competition by chucking an 81 yard pass. He also tied the Nebraska QB camp record in the fastest ball competition as a 14 1/2 year old freshman by throwing a football that was clocked at 59 MPH. My guess is he could throw it 85 yards without breaking a sweat.
 
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Mallett's speed- or lack thereof, is being greatly exaggerated on this board. Sure Ryan doesn't have alot of top end speed, but he's got very good footwork and he gets into his drops very quickly. The bashing of his speed is just not justified in my opinion. Ryan certainly isn't fast, but I don't know if playing with "cinder-block cleats" is what I'd call it. John Navarre was "cinder-block" cleats if I ever saw it, and I just don't think Mallett is that slow. He's got much quicker foot speed than Navarre from what I've seen.
I guess we will just have to disagree on that one...I would not say he has great footwork at all. I was just telling someone, maybe CBF40, a few weeks ago after he committed that the film reminded me of Navarre.

I'm not so sure that somebody with "cinder-block cleats" on could run for 6 touchdowns against that type of competition.

Who ever said a rushing TD has to be of any significant distance? The kid is 6' 7"....Id have to wager he is used on quite a few sneaks inside the 5. 6 rushing TDs may have a combined yardage of 7 yards.
 
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Mallett--Absolute cannon for an arm and is physically imposing at 6'7". However, he looks as if he is wearing cinder block cleats. I wasn't impressed with his mobility and he does have a long wind-up at times...however, that is easily covered by one of the best HS arms I have seen. Michigan was a great choice for him as he will not be asked to do much at all outside of the pocket.

Excellent...another Navarre/Henne clone. 6'7" or not, our blitzers will take him down with little problem.
 
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Having said all of that, I do see some some minor flaws in his mechanics and he does throw off of this back-foot at times and short-arm passes, but you've got to remember here that he HAS to do those things to take heat off of his passes.
That's a novel argument....

Tom Brady or Peyton Manning couldn't crack a 5.2-40 at their NFL combines. Is there really one QB in the NFL you'd take over either of those guys?
Off topic, but I'd take Ben Roethlisberger over either of those QB's (admitedly, also a guy without a lot of speed). And, if contracts are involved, I'd take just about any starting QB in the league over Manning - I'm not going to win any big games with him, so I might as well save the $100 million dollars that the Colts are paying him.
 
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Excellent...another Navarre/Henne clone. 6'7" or not, our blitzers will take him down with little problem.
Like OSU did in 2005 (1 sack), 2004 (1 sack), and 2003 (0 sacks)?

Snarky replies aside, this whole mobility argument is kind of moot: Both mobile and immobile QBs can work in a proper system. However, Michigan's immobile QB system is predicated on strong OL play, which we lacked last year (and with the loss of Stenavich, may lack this year :ohwell:).

One thing we can all agree on is that the Clausen and Mallett (at GBW and The Wolverine, at least) hype is absolutely overblown.
 
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Mallet's inability to get around the field and the level of competition are my only slight concerns about how good he is going to be.

Uhhh, wad, Mallett plays against some of the best competition in the entire country on a week in week out basis. I think that lack of competition argument you are referring to probably refers to Clausen. Maybe you just got mixed up? Anyways, your list is your list, and I ain't going to bash it, but Bostick is not one of the Top 10 QB's in the country let alone one of the Top 3 IMO. Bostick looked average at every combine he's been to so far and he couldn't get Toney Clemons or Greg Little the ball deep at the Elite combine in Jersey- his arm is just not that good.
 
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Uhhh, wad, Mallett plays against some of the best competition in the entire country on a week in week out basis. I think that lack of competition argument you are referring to probably refers to Clausen. Maybe you just got mixed up? Anyways, your list is your list, and I ain't going to bash it, but Bostick is not one of the Top 10 QB's in the country let alone one of the Top 3 IMO. Bostick looked average at every combine he's been to so far and he couldn't get Toney Clemons or Greg Little the ball deep at the Elite combine in Jersey- his arm is just not that good.

A.) you are right...the level of competition line was not meant about Mallet, but rather about Lalich in reference to Mallet...I know Mallet plays in the big division down in Texas. Never read back over my post until you corrected me.

B.) I have watched more film on the QBs so far in this class than any other position...and that is with OSU not even being in the market for a big name at this point. Bostick looked solid to me from the film I saw of him at the Scout Combine at Pitt earlier this year and at the AA combine in San Antonio last year. Several scouts who were in attendence commented that his arm was extremely strong, especially for a high schooler who had not yet entered his senior season. I tend to agree with some of the comparisons to Henne or Devlin.

C.) The film on Mallet shows me a couple of things...he has a cannon for an arm and throws a great deep ball (you don't throw the ball 83 yards by accident). That being said, he needs to work on his mobility...Bostick is much quicker with his footwork in and around the pocket. That should help Mallet with the short-range passing game as well, another area that has been said he could use a little improvement on.

Seeing as though OSU has next to no shot with any of these kids, I think my analysis was pretty objective. Obviously you disagree, which is the great thing about a thread like this...
 
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Fair enough, and like I said, I ain't going to bash your list.

If any of you guys from Ohio want to get a closer look at Mallett, he's going to be playing against the Findlay Trojans in the Ohio vs. USA Kirk Herbstreit Challenge on Friday 9/15/06 at 6:30 PM at Nippert Stadium in Cincinnati.

http://www.ohiovsusa.com/i2006teamatchups/findlayvstexas.html


6 of the 9 games in the Herbstreit challenge are in Cincinnati, the other 3
are in Massillon.

Colerain is playing Cardinal O'Hara of PA (Kevin Jones of the Detroit Lions alma mater) on the same night. Going to be some great high school football match-ups that weekend.
 
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A. Mallett plays in 4A right? Texas runs up to 5A so while 4A is likely very solid football, it is a little forward to call it the best competition in the country on a weekly basis.

B. Agreed on Bostick...Im still saying Morelli is the comparison.

C. Ive already said my thoughts here.
 
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A. Mallett plays in 4A right? Texas runs up to 5A so while 4A is likely very solid football, it is a little forward to call it the best competition in the country on a weekly basis.

B. Agreed on Bostick...Im still saying Morelli is the comparison.

C. Ive already said my thoughts here.


A) I never said Mallett plays against the best, just said it's some of the best, which is very true.

B) I don't think he's anything like Morelli. Morelli wasn't very polished or accurate for that matter coming out of high school. Bostick is more accurate but his arm isn't even in Morelli's neighborhood. I think Bostick is more like Devlin from last year, who I thought was a very good QB with a decent arm, but not a 5* kid.
 
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A) I never said Mallett plays against the best, just said it's some of the best, which is very true.

B) I don't think he's anything like Morelli. Morelli wasn't very polished or accurate for that matter coming out of high school. Bostick is more accurate but his arm isn't even in Morelli's neighborhood. I think Bostick is more like Devlin from last year, who I thought was a very good QB with a decent arm, but not a 5* kid.

Looks like we are just disagreeing all around...

If the teams aren't even the best Texas has to offer, it is hard to say they are some of the best in the country. No worries though...not important really. The kid plays solid competition...

Hmmm...not sure what you heard about arm strength and Bostick, but one thing Ive learned is that the "eye in the sky don't lie."

Morelli


Bostick

I see plenty of similarities...but you are right about Bostick being more polished, however, I wouldn't call Morelli "raw" at all.
 
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Has Mallett stopped growing? What did he measure last summer at the UM camp?
One thing we can all agree on is that the Clausen and Mallett (at GBW and The Wolverine, at least) hype is absolutely overblown.
agreed. What's humorous is they complain about the Clausen hype, and then begin throwing out nearly identical hype for Mallett (
"best QB in 10 years").
 
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Has Mallett stopped growing? What did he measure last summer at the UM camp?
agreed. What's humorous is they complain about the Clausen hype, and then begin throwing out nearly identical hype for Mallett (
"best QB in 10 years").
The hype between both of these QBs is NOTHING compared to what I have had to listen to about Tim Tebow down here in Florida. I mean geez... he wasn't event e best QB in his cals, yet ESPN built him up to be a god and living with 2 UF rommoates doesn't help either :shake:
 
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The Mallett not being able to evade the rush talk is pure non-sense. I mean has anybody here even seen his tape? I'm not talking about the few clips over on Rivals, I'm talking about real game tape from his junior season. Well on it Mallett shows very good pocket awareness and he has an innate ability to just feel the rush and side step to his left or right to buy time or step up into the pocket to get his throw off. Mallett doesn't just have "a cannon arm and nothing else", this kid completed about 60% of his passes last year and threw for 21 touchdowns against 6 interceptions and he also ran for another 6, all against a tough schedule and against very good competition. Mallett displays very good touch, much better than I expected to see, and he throws an accurate catchable ball. His footwork is solid and he has good footspeed for being 6-7, 235 pounds. Another thing that I just cannot stress enough is this kid is an excellent ball-handler, he sells his pump and the play-action as good if not better than any QB that I've seen in this class, he hides that ball very well.

There are some minor flaws in his mechanics, but I'm sure that'll get tweaked a bit when he gets into college. People knocking him saying he needs an OL in front of him, well that is about the stupidest argument I've ever heard. Every QB needs an OL unless they are Michael Vick (who can't pass the ball anyways) or else they are going to get creamed. This is Michigan he's going to by the way. Michigan is usually pretty solid when it comes to the offensive line. At times Lloyd has had dominate offensive lines, at times just mediocre to slightly above mediocre, but I don't think I can remember the last time I saw an offensive line at Michigan under Lloyd (or ever for that matter) that completely sucked or was the worst in the Big Ten or among the worst in the country. Michigan usually has pretty good lineman, and I think two guys they got last year in Justin Boren and Steve Schilling will help continue that trend.
 
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The Mallett not being able to evade the rush talk is pure non-sense. I mean has anybody here even seen his tape? I'm not talking about the few clips over on Rivals, I'm talking about real game tape from his junior season.
If this kid was not a Michigan commitment...would you be arguing this with as much passion? You are approaching the Domer's homerism when discussing Clausen. I haven't seen anyone bash any of these QBs...but a number of us are not impressed with the kids feet. Your own assessment has gone from "he's got very good footwork...The bashing of his speed is just not justified in my opinion. Ryan certainly isn't fast, but I don't know if playing with "cinder-block cleats" is what I'd call it..." to "His footwork is solid and he has good footspeed for being 6-7, 235 pounds." How many 6' 7" 235 lb burners do you know? I don't know many and I certainly don't see one here.

Sorry man, but it seems you are just looking for a proclamation of this kid's greatness. I won't give it...solid pickup for Michigan, but certainly not a monumental pickup.

Before you start talking about "stupidest arguments" you need to take a step back and separate your loyalty from your objectivity. Right now, you are doing a poor job of that.
 
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