Athletic QBs

[Oneshot]

Unfortunately, I've found this to be very true.

I thought there was a mistake when Tim Tebow was named the best "athletic" quarterback, and I also did the same thing with Nelson.

It's a shame. However, you gotta take into account the fact that the best athletic quarterbacks of our time (well, it has to be of our time, because athletic quarterbacks didnt really exist past a couple years ago...) are Mike Vick and Vince Young. The best pocket passers of our time are Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, etc. I guess until we start to see a lot of white dual-threats and a lot of black pocket passers, the connection between black and athletic, and white and pocket, will stay.

(However, I think Omar Jacobs and Tebow are about to rock the football PC world.)

 

[jlb1705]

Off topic, but Vince Young is better than Steve Young?! Don't think so - he's got a long way to go. And there goes your athletic QB/skin color stereotype.

As for the number of QBs OSU takes, and how that affects Nelson and the rest of this class... Every year lately it seems OSU takes less QBs than we all think, and then we all say that that means they're just planning on making that up next year when there's a better QB crop. Every year though, the QBs we think are 'must gets' from Ohio don't seem to get offered (Brian Hoyer, anyone?), and they still only take one QB instead of the two we always seem to think they will take. With that in mind, who really thinks that this is 'next year'?

 

[jwinslow]

Thread split in 3...2... Watch this extremely huge Arkie fly (and he's definitely quite pasty white). He might be the best athlete I've seen at QB in quite some time.

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12892

 

[osugrad21]

Dispatch

Coaches adjust thinking on QBs
Tressel, Paterno let dual-threat players run their offenses
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:11 AM
By Tim May


THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
It's no stretch to say that Joe Paterno and Jim Tressel are two of the more control-minded coaches in college football. So why would they turn their offenses over to throwing/running/sometimes free-wheeling quarterbacks this season? Kirk Herbstreit knows the answer. He has watched junior Daryll Clark direct one of the more explosive offenses in the country, elevating Penn State out of the gloom of the Anthony Morelli era. Herbstreit has also watched freshman Terrelle Pryor help Ohio State win five straight games since taking over for senior Todd Boeckman.
"They're playing the guy they believe gives their team the best chance to win," said Herbstreit, a college football analyst for ESPN and ABC.
Although it might seem to be a radical departure for Paterno and Tressel, both did similar things a few years ago. Tressel turned his offense over to the playmaking Troy Smith, who went on to win the Heisman Trophy in 2006. Paterno gave the ball to Michael Robinson, who rose to Big Ten MVP in 2005.
"If we had looked at this in '05, I think we would have said this is really out of character for these two coaches, to bring in quarterbacks who can make plays with their feet and sometimes getting out of the principles of their base offense," Herbstreit said.
But look around the country, Herbstreit said. Coaches are doing cannonballs into the dual-threat pool.
In this week's Bowl Championship Series top 10, five teams are led by dual threats. No. 1 Texas has Colt McCoy, now the Heisman front-runner; No. 3 Penn State has Clark; No. 6 Oklahoma State has Zac Robinson; No. 9 Ohio State has Pryor; and No. 10 Florida has Tim Tebow, who's trying to become just the second player to win two Heismans.
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[Steve19]

Isn't this really predictable? As defensive schemes increasingly emphasize speed, especially from linemen, the risk of someone getting to the quarterback increases. An immobile quarterback or less mobile quarterback, even with a cannon arm and good judgement, is more vulnerable to being dropped behind the line of scrimmage. A mobile quarterback not only has a chance of evading penetrating defensive players, but also forces teams to cover the run, increasing the opportunity of receivers to get open.

When the conversion to mobility and speed is complete, will someone rediscover Woody Hayes and win a national championship with an adapted version of smashmouth football and 3 yards and a cloud of dust? I love college football.

 

[Best Buckeye]

Isn't this really predictable? As defensive schemes increasingly emphasize speed, especially from linemen, the risk of someone getting to the quarterback increases. An immobile quarterback or less mobile quarterback, even with a cannon arm and good judgement, is more vulnerable to being dropped behind the line of scrimmage. A mobile quarterback not only has a chance of evading penetrating defensive players, but also forces teams to cover the run, increasing the opportunity of receivers to get open.

When the conversion to mobility and speed is complete, will someone rediscover Woody Hayes and win a national championship with an adapted version of smashmouth football and 3 yards and a cloud of dust? I love college football.

Rod Gerald, Cornelius Greene, the whirlpool of life just goes round and round. I love College football.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

people need to realize that this is joepas third full cycle through this "dual threat" style offense. when he first started at PSU, the 70s and the 2000s....

 

[cincibuck]

Off topic, but Vince Young is better than Steve Young?! Don't think so - he's got a long way to go. And there goes your athletic QB/skin color stereotype.

Fran Tarkenton all but invented the arch type. Add Washington's Locker, Art Schilechter, MSU's QB from two and three seasons back. In short, there have been QBs around who could scramble, but few coaches and few teams who designed plays for the QB to run.

Perhaps you might shift the scope to running backs such as Michigan's McGuffey (?) and Iowa's Tim Dwight. I can't remember the last white running back at Ohio State unless you count Larry Zelina, who was sometimes put in the backfield for sweeps and pitch plays. Last white featured running back must have been Tom Barrington, who alas, did not even have Big 10 speed, The last one on a Big 10 contending team would have been Bob White.

 

[Gatorubet]

Fran Tarkenton all but invented the arch type. Add Washington's Locker, Art Schilechter, MSU's QB from two and three seasons back. In short, there have been QBs around who could scramble, but few coaches and few teams who designed plays for the QB to run.

Those of you so young you never saw Fran scampering around chased by defensive linemen until he found the open receiver or ran for the first down really missed something.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHd16lpRut4"]YouTube - Top Ten Mobile QB: Fran Tarkenton[/ame]

 

[HailToMichigan]

When the conversion to mobility and speed is complete, will someone rediscover Woody Hayes and win a national championship with an adapted version of smashmouth football and 3 yards and a cloud of dust? I love college football.

Paul Johnson? It's not the same thing as 3 yards and a cloud of dust, but that offense definitely features fullback dives into the line as a very basic play, and it's all run, all the time. It's part read-option, part wishbone, 100% awesome, and right now the ACC hasn't got a clue what to do with it.

 

[IronBuckI]

Paul Johnson? It's not the same thing as 3 yards and a cloud of dust, but that offense definitely features fullback dives into the line as a very basic play, and it's all run, all the time. It's part read-option, part wishbone, 100% awesome, and right now the ACC hasn't got a clue what to do with it.

Funny. Georgia Tech has scored 19, 17, 27, and 21 points in their four ACC games for a 21 ppg average. Their opponents have given up 273 points in 13 ACC games...for a 21 ppg average.