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2025 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, etc.

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Jaxbuck said:
Just thinking from a tv contract perspective.

SEC alone vs B1G and the rest of the current NCAA.

SEC goes first and the B1G gets to play the middle on both them and the NCAA/rest of CFB.

I think the big breakaway/death of the NCAA is very near but it will likely be the B1G and the SEC together.
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maybe i’m missing something in the picture, but are are the conferences’ tv contracts tied somehow to ncaa membership?
 
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cincibuck said:
Much as I want to see Michigan castrated, it leaves the Big Ten with 1.5 programs with a shot at a Natty. Maybe USC will recover. TV isn’t going to be excited by conference race between the Bucks and a neutered Michigan.
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Run the big ten airplane into the ground as long as OSU misses the flight.

Could care less about the health of the big ten. When you screw up you should be punished.
 
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cincibuck said:
Much as I want to see Michigan castrated, it leaves the Big Ten with 1.5 programs with a shot at a Natty. Maybe USC will recover. TV isn’t going to be excited by conference race between the Bucks and a neutered Michigan.
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How many times has Michigan realistically had a shot at the natty in the last 30 years? Their national significance when it comes to being a big time national winner isn't that great in modern times. scUM is much more likely to go 8-4 or worse than actually contend for a national title.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
How many times has Michigan realistically had a shot at the natty in the last 30 years? Their national significance when it comes to being a big time national winner isn't that great in modern times. scUM is much more likely to go 8-4 or worse than actually contend for a national title.
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In the past when people have made such points the response has typically been to sarcastically imply that you're saying that Michigan is the worst team ever and never wins anything. Rather than let it devolve into that, let’s look at this objectively.

During the division era of the B1G, Ohio State started out having been hammered by sanctions and was thus 4th place in the inaugural year of the Leaders division. They then had a run of 10 straight years where they had the best record in the division or were tied for the best. Before the cheating started, the cheaters tied for first in their division once, were second twice, third three times, fourth once, fifth twice and sixth once.

When you look deeper, it’s worse than that because both of their years finishing 2nd in their division were in the first two years of division play when they were in the weak Legends division. How weak? In 2012, 8-5 Michigan was 2nd in the Legends division to Nebraska, while the Leaders division was represented by 4-4 Wisconsin because Ohio State and Sandusky (Joe Knew) State were both ineligible for postseason play. The 3rd place Badgers destroyed the Huskers in the CG.

So, objectively speaking, a grand total of one time in the ten seasons prior to the cheating was Michigan Ohio State’s nearest competitor for conference record. And in that year, the Buckeyes laid a 60-burger on the skunk bears.

I am not saying that Michigan is terrible, or even that they suck. But it is objective reality that the game has moved on from the time when the skunk bears were the Buckeyes nearest competitor in the Big Ten without cheating.

And no, last year’s game does not prove a damn thing that is relevant to this conversation. Was Michigan the better team on that day? Yes. But this is not about one day in November or about a mixture of hubris and stupidity that led to the National Champion falling to the 7th placed B1G team.

This is about who is our nearest competitor each year. That was Oregon in 2024. They’re the defending conference champions. They’re the ones who have what we want and we need to go get it back.

When it comes to our closest competition in this conference, it is just an objective fact that Michigan is not even in that discussion and they haven’t been for some time. And the tv executives know it.
 
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DaddyBigBucks said:
In the past when people have made such points the response has typically been to sarcastically imply that you're saying that Michigan is the worst team ever and never wins anything. Rather than let it devolve into that, let’s look at this objectively.

During the division era of the B1G, Ohio State started out having been hammered by sanctions and was thus 4th place in the inaugural year of the Leaders division. They then had a run of 10 straight years where they had the best record in the division or were tied for the best. Before the cheating started, the cheaters tied for first in their division once, were second twice, third three times, fourth once, fifth twice and sixth once.

When you look deeper, it’s worse than that because both of their years finishing 2nd in their division were in the first two years of division play when they were in the weak Legends division. How weak? In 2012, 8-5 Michigan was 2nd in the Legends division to Nebraska, while the Leaders division was represented by 4-4 Wisconsin because Ohio State and Sandusky (Joe Knew) State were both ineligible for postseason play. The 3rd place Badgers destroyed the Huskers in the CG.

So, objectively speaking, a grand total of one time in the ten seasons prior to the cheating was Michigan Ohio State’s nearest competitor for conference record. And in that year, the Buckeyes laid a 60-burger on the skunk bears.

I am not saying that Michigan is terrible, or even that they suck. But it is objective reality that the game has moved on from the time when the skunk bears were the Buckeyes nearest competitor in the Big Ten without cheating.

And no, last year’s game does not prove a damn thing that is relevant to this conversation. Was Michigan the better team on that day? Yes. But this is not about one day in November or about a mixture of hubris and stupidity that led to the National Champion falling to the 7th placed B1G team.

This is about who is our nearest competitor each year. That was Oregon in 2024. They’re the defending conference champions. They’re the ones who have what we want and we need to go get it back.

When it comes to our closest competition in this conference, it is just an objective fact that Michigan is not even in that discussion and they haven’t been for some time. And the tv executives know it.
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Yep. They aren't the worst team ever but I don't get how anyone pretends like they are some real annual national player.

They have more 4+ loss seasons this century than 10+ win seasons. They are a B level program that sometimes can break into B+/A- territory but also can fall into C territory.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
Yep. They aren't the worst team ever but I don't get how anyone pretends like they are some real annual national player.

They have more 4+ loss seasons this century than 10+ win seasons. They are a B level program that sometimes can break into B+/A- territory but also can fall into C territory.
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They never reached "A-" territory without cheating. They were a regional program living off a reputation decades old, then they cheated. Then they got caught. Guess what they'll be now...
 
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shetuck said:
maybe i’m missing something in the picture, but are are the conferences’ tv contracts tied somehow to ncaa membership?
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You may have hit the target. I believe the tv contracts were signed by individual conferences. The ncaa
BuckeyeNation27 said:
CFB and the B1G survived just fine while Michigan was poo poo garbage for 20 years. And that was without USC and Oregon.
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perhaps because Sparty, Purdue, Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Minnesota were often good teams through the 50s and 60s. Then came the 70s and 8os when when the conference became the Big Two. Now it will come down to the Bucks and a Penn State team that isn’t on our schedule because they got tired of losing.
 
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NFBuck said:
They never reached "A-" territory without cheating. They were a regional program living off a reputation decades old, then they cheated. Then they got caught. Guess what they'll be now...
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They are barely above Michigan State since 2000, if you take away the cheating years they are basically even.
 
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cincibuck said:
perhaps because Sparty, Purdue, Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Minnesota were often good teams through the 50s and 60s. Then came the 70s and 8os when when the conference became the Big Two. Now it will come down to the Bucks and a Penn State team that isn’t on our schedule because they got tired of losing.
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This just isn't true. You admit that in previous years, someone filled the gap, but now with more teams in the B1G, you don't think someone would step up and fill in? You don't think if Michigan got hammered the way they should, that the recruits that normally go there would end up at Sparty, Iowa, Wisconsin?

The argument that CFB or the B1G NEEDS a certain school to be good is just utter nonsense. If Ohio State vanished overnight, the B1G would be just fine. CFB would be just fine. No one school is big enough to be "too big to fail". Hell, Bama was hot garbage for decades and the sport somehow still existed.
 
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