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Of course. But it was another poster who initially asked the "what if there was no scandal?" -- I didn't start the topic, I just provided an answer.

Nah, I get it. I'm a "fucking" PSU fan. I "kid" myself. Noone would "mildly" consider my alma mater. Urban Meyer's mentor was the source for Rapp's stories in 2011. Is what it is.

All fair points. Absolutely. Who said "I don't want to hear this?" I can't disagree with that. Ohio State's win percentage from 1987-2011 > Penn State's win percentage from 1987-2011. OSU has had more National Titles, OSU had more BCS bowl bids, B1G titles, et cetera. I'd like to think...

Fair enough, but I can tell by your post. You are another one that is PERSONALLY offended by my post. I can tell it's personal because you have to jab me with the phrases "fucking" and "even mildly considered." Earle Bruce is Urban Meyer's life-time mentor. They were very close, Meyer's Dad...

I've never understood why there is a segment of Ohio State fans who (a) simply refuse to believe there is ANY element of truth (and as such rule it out "out of hand") and (b) are seemingly personally offended at the possibility. You appear to fall into that segment of Ohio State fans. As I...

It's an interesting "what if." Scandal or no scandal, JoePa WAS sick, and 2011 WAS going to be the end. If you recall, JoePa's sickness wasn't revealed the weekend of the PSU/Ohio State game in November 2011. A mere week and a half after his firing. Joe was definitely looking sick the entire...

I've liked Troy Smith over the years, but that's a very weak statement from him --- making excuses and not owning it. A BAC of 0.15 isn't exactly "close" to the limit. I agree, no sympathy. 31-year-old adult. As Cris would say, "come on, Man." On the flip side though, he did do a better job...

I don't think anybody in the B1G (in large numbers) really "hates" Penn State. That's part of the reason I've had no real issues. Certainly none of the traditional B1G members or Nebraska hate Penn State. No issues there. The Rutgers game in 2014 --- I was there, Rutgers fans weren't...

I've said this before --- but as a PSU fan who lives in Metro Cincinnati (e.g., Ohio), and has attended 20+ ROAD games since November 2011, I've only once encountered a nasty opposing fan. That was at the Wisconsin 2013 game: PSU scored a touchdown, I stood up to cheer (I prefer to sit amongst...

So what part of me IS a "cultist"? You're implying that I am a partial cultist.

Well, it is what it is. I am a "cultist" after all, right?

OK, I'll answer your questions --- although, let it be noted that in your 2 paragraph lecture as part of which you decided to unfairly label me as a "cultist", you never DID ask any questions. You only asked them afterwords. Yes, no, no, yes, yes. In my opinion. I don't think any of the...

I never said C/S/S were innocent! I said that C/S/S have Constitutionally protected rights --- and those should not get ignored regardless of how many folk view things in a Machiavellian manner. THAT is my opinion. Not to get personal, but I've been there. My ex-wife was killed many years...

Fair enough. I think that's a mis-characterization of me, and I am disappointed you have decided to venture down the "409fold is a cultist" road, but fair enough.

So you are implying that Judge Feudale is corrupt!!! No offense, but I think there is nothing tangible you can point to to support your supposition. Judge Feudale was somewhat inept. Judge Feudale failed to correctly do his job. Those things happen. But there's a difference between not...

But if the PA courts were trying to make sure "Penn State got off", they never convene a grand jury/charge C/S/S in the first place, right? I don't think Judge Feudale maliciously screwed up. But it was a screw up. The DA (Frank Fina) could/should have caught this too, the opportunity was there.

Court of law only.

Well, we've had this "ends justify the means" discussion before. I know you disagree. I believe in the next world. I also believe that there are no passages to the "good side" of that world via the use of legal technicalities. But for the world in which you and I currently reside: I do...

Sure, Baldwin should have made sure C/S/S knew the situation. She should have corrected Spanier the second he said "Baldwin is representing me." She didn't. And there's a significant chance she will be disbarred over this one. But it is ALSO Judge Feudale's job to make sure there is no room...