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WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

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jwinslow;1565474; said:
The Todd Boeckman who started the 2007 season was missing in Nov 07, Jan 08 & Sep 08. The guy who stood tall and delivered the ball in the face of an untouched pass rusher was not around when Wisky, Ill, LSU, Ohio & USC came after him.

Todd certainly accomplished more in a rebuilding year, both individually and as a team, than most expected. But his regression was undeniable.
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I guess we can agree to disagree on that. I tend to blame predictable play calling for some of his interceptions. The long ball was working well in September and October, but lead to interceptions in November because defenses knew it was coming. In some cases, the receivers looked as if they were conceeding the pick. I notice that scUm is not on your list, btw.

As for last year, he did struggle coming out of the box. If he hadn't gotten the hook, who knows? It is academic now, but because Pryor played very well last year, the expectation was that he would play better this year. Some of it may be from poor play calling in the first couple of games. Some of it may be because defenses have had more time to prepare for him. Personally, I think the expectation that he has to be "special" or play a perfect game is bunk. Even with erratic play, the USC game was never out of reach. All he has to do is try to limit turnovers and we can hang with anyone.
 
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I guess we can agree to disagree on that. I tend to blame predictable play calling for some of his interceptions. The long ball was working well in September and October, but lead to interceptions in November because defenses knew it was coming. In some cases, the receivers looked as if they were conceeding the pick.
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQsv_aB5qQ4]YouTube - 2007 Illini Football: Illinois @ Ohio State - Part I[/ame]

2:50 - On todd, not the WR. Didn't overthrow the DB right in front of him.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iFuzxvFkAs]YouTube - 2007 Illini Football: Illinois @ Ohio State - Part II[/ame]

1:30 - On Todd, not the WR.

4:25 - Thrown into coverage, poor effort by Robo.

Still, there's no way you can take away the blame from Todd on those three INTs as a set. Two weren't deep balls at all, and the third was a gamble that he lost.
I notice that scUm is not on your list, btw.
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Hartline was wide open for a TD early in that game (opening drive?) and Todd badly underthrew him, letting Trent catch up and collide with Hartline.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGg4V_sufT8]YouTube - Ohio State Michigan 2007 "Desire" Highlights[/ame]
After the panicked INT before halftime (3:02), Tressel took the ball away from Todd, knowing that only UM's defense could win that game.
 
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Woody1968;1565406; said:
I agree with your post, but to clarify, for the record, I did not say we should run the option exclusively.
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Thats my fault for jumping down your throat..

jwinslow;1565474; said:
The Todd Boeckman who started the 2007 season was missing in Nov 07, Jan 08 & Sep 08. The guy who stood tall and delivered the ball in the face of an untouched pass rusher was not around when Wisky, Ill, LSU, Ohio & USC came after him.

Todd certainly accomplished more in a rebuilding year, both individually and as a team, than most expected. But his regression was undeniable.
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I agree, the regression was obvious. And I also agree with your post in regaurds to the OL & Todd being a bad combo..

buckeyes_rock;1565465; said:
I keep thinking that one game it's just all going to click at once for TP and the perfect storm will rain down some offense!
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November 21st, 2009
 
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November 21st, 2009
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UM has a gift for making qbs look better than they are. Lloyd used to make talented dual-threat QBs even more famous (McNabb, Kordell, Troy, Vince, etc). Rich has taken the program to another level, making 1-dimensional players like Siller, Cone, Cousins, Stanzi into slippery passers somehow.
 
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I have read a lot of posts trying to compare TP to Young, Smith, etc.

TP is TP. No comparison is needed. He is a tremendous athlete the likes we have not seen yet. You can not compare him to anyone, IMO.


I have read a lot of posts breaking down the imperfections of a true sophomore QB.

He is still learning to be a pro prospect at the QB position. His goal, coming to Ohio State, was to be molded into an NFL type QB and to get away from the gimmicky offensive schemes that come and go with the changing of the tides (scUM would have been a perfect fit for him, yet he chose to come here).
Hell, he is 13-3 as a starter. What other QB, on a nationally recognized Top 25 team, has that record being a returning starter for their team as a true sophomore?


I have read a lot of posts that seem to be coming from some very impatient people.

I will say it again, as it seems this point is lost on many: TP is a true sophomore. He is a great athlete that has a TON of potential, but we have to remember that he is still learning the college game at this point.

Give the young man some time, I am sure he will not disappoint.
 
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buxfan4life;1565668; said:
I have read a lot of posts trying to compare TP to Young, Smith, etc.

TP is TP. No comparison is needed. He is a tremendous athlete the likes we have not seen yet. You can not compare him to anyone, IMO.


I have read a lot of posts breaking down the imperfections of a true sophomore QB.

He is still learning to be a pro prospect at the QB position. His goal, coming to Ohio State, was to be molded into an NFL type QB and to get away from the gimmicky offensive schemes that come and go with the changing of the tides (scUM would have been a perfect fit for him, yet he chose to come here).
Hell, he is 13-3 as a starter. What other QB, on a nationally recognized Top 25 team, has that record being a returning starter for their team as a true sophomore?


I have read a lot of posts that seem to be coming from some very impatient people.

I will say it again, as it seems this point is lost on many: TP is a true sophomore. He is a great athlete that has a TON of potential, but we have to remember that he is still learning the college game at this point.

Give the young man some time, I am sure he will not disappoint.
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I think you're counting the Texas game against him, I don't think he was the 'official' starter in that game.
 
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osucollegebuck;1565711; said:
I think you're counting the Texas game against him, I don't think he was the 'official' starter in that game.
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13-2 does sound better... lol...

plus my prediction on TP's next big game that it all comes together is NMSU on Halloween. Followed by a BIG win against State Penn and finalizing a great 5 game stretch.
 
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leroyjenkins;1565723; said:
Youd be in good company around here.....
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Ha, I hear you man. I am damn glad that Clarity got this place up and running. I hated that site towards the end of my tenure there. It's nice to discuss football with smart people, well........you get my point. :wink:

Pryor is coming along. Sometimes high expectations can be an enemy of a young talent.
 
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RugbyBuck;1566157; said:
Amen, Brother! I've been telling people (teachers, bosses, ex-girlfriends/ex-wife) that for years. Too bad I'm not young anymore.
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I like where your going with this, but I guess I should clarify....:wink2:

If someone sets high expectations of themself, and constantly beats themself up over it when they are not meeting that goal.........it can turn into an enemy. I mean this from a sport standpoint, not as means to hide behind life's failures. :wink: I think this is sometimes the case with a guy like Pryor, or someone who has been successful at everything he has done athletically. The first times that they hit a rough patch, they press a little too much, only causing them to have more issues.
 
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